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Terry Owens
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In the 28 years I've been doing Gospel work, I've never had anyone object to me using a wand. But I never use it for myself and when I did use it, it's done in conjunction with comedy with a child so as not to be taken seriously, and the child usually does not end up using it either. Unless doing a cups and balls routine that requires a wand, it's really pointless to be standing in front of an audience waving a wand. That goes for someone doing general magic or Gospel. If we as gospel performers haven't moved on from needing to use a wand (except in comedy situations), we are in big trouble.

Wands are associated with witchcraft, the occult and magic. That can be a hard pill for Christians to swallow.

On the other hand, cards now days are not just associated with gambling as they once were, but family games such as eucher, spades, crazy eights and so forth. So cards do not have the same baggage as do "magic wands".

As for cards with Jesus printed on it, that doesn't bother me but it might to the people I'm ministering to, I don't usually use normal playing cards in my program because I know some churches might object to it. Even when I do the card sword, it's not with normal playing cards when performing for churches. (If you've read some of my other posts, you know the in general I don't like the things being produced as "gospel magic" because it usually does not meet my standards for equipment that I use)

So again, why would you want to potentially offend the client that is booking you? If a church is booking you, then they first of all must not have a lot of problems with someone who professionally knows how to present a gospel related program using magic, but there are still areas we should not cross.
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>"Wands are associated with witchcraft, the occult and MAGIC."

MAGIC is also associated with witchcraft, the occult and MAGIC.
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I think that about wraps up this little debate. Let's just let this thread die, shall we?

P.S. No one liked the T-shirt graphics?
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Good idea.
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I think it is important that we as Christians do not become sorcerers. By that I mean we of all people should understand that the power of a symbol is completely dependant upon the culture. There is no "magical" power in a symbol whether it be a celtic cross, pentegram, or chi-rho. I have shared the gospel with a star of david, shrunken head, cigarettes, beer, swords, petrified poop, and could easily share it with a pentagram. But in agreement with some of the posts, we should be sensitive to the audience we are addressing. But if you are trying to reach the lost, use whatever the Lord leads you to even if it isn't church freindly.
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Good point. In early Christianity, the pentacle was often used as a Christian symbol, representing the "five wounds of Christ."
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The Celtic Cross is a wonderful symbol that Christians 'borrowed' from their Pagan forbears. Sadly though, whenever Christians 'borrow' things they seem to also try and squash the faith and practise of those from whom they 'borrowed' them. In my country we did it to the Druids and in others it was done to the Navajos / Hopis / Aboriginies / Mayans etc. Oh how I wish my own tribe would respect others just a little more! Surly Jesus is a friend to the planet and her beautiful peoples?
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You make a valid point Mark. "Borrowing" symbols from local cultures or drawing parallels to local symbols is a common way to teach new ideas. St. Patrick, taught about the Trinity with a three-leafed clover. However, St. Patrick would not have been successful in communicating his lessons if he did not have respect for the culture in which he was teaching. When missionaries force Christian doctrine, that's when the trouble starts. Jesus, Who is everyone's friend, would never want it to be done that way. Indeed, His parables were stories used to gently get across His message. The only time Jesus was forceful was when He saw injustice being done, or hypocrisy in those who already claimed to follow Him. Also, He was very straightforward with those who claimed to represent the Jewish people but who themselves failed to practice Jewish law and traditions. Regarding the Gentiles, those who were not of the Jewish faith, His approach was always gentle and loving. This is the Jesus Who should be taught, the Jesus Who respected other cultures and believed it was right to allow them to maintain their culture. In other words, He did not expect them to become Jews in order to follow Him. In short, I agree with what you said. I believe Jesus does love and respect the diversity of cultures on the earth.

Dave
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Thank you Dave,
Very nicely put.
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You're welcome Mark.

God bless.

Dave
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When it comes to performing magic with a Gospel theme, if you're creating your own Gospel and not scripturally based then it's no longer Gospel. There are some very dangerous mindsets being shared in this thread. The whole idea behind "Gospel" magic, is to use it to evangelize to lead others to a saving knowledge of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
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I would comment, but I would just be accused of 'getting the thread off-track' again.
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Would someone please lock or delete this thread? I've asked several times.

Terry,

I noticed that you like to give judgmental advice when none is asked for or needed. Everything I've said is in accord with the Gospel. Regarding things discussed here: Symbols ect. Since you use a wand, a clear symbol of the occult,
don't you think you are being a wee bit hypocritical? Does the witch of Endor ring a bell? If you insist that everyone else meet your own standards then you should be the first one to adhear to them. You might be wise to consider the possibility that just maybe, you yourself have created your own gospel.
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