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Inhumaninferno Hit it right on the head. That was why I posted what I did. If you have never even worked on the routine how would you know for a fact that it's too slow for today's world? (For those not sure I was responing to Wmhebli's coment.) I Myself have not worked on the routine as of yet. BUT I have seen Kalin perform it and know for a fact it does not play too slow for today's world. Yes I can state that as fact that it works fine.

If you have never seen something performed or worked on it yourself how can you say it's not good for this or that? You can't in a case like this. You either know or you don't you can't assume.

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Hello dear friends,
I have been doing a variation of the above routine for sevaral months now and I have been doing balls manipulation for 16 years. A routine is a routine - it could be done slower or faster depending on your likes, style etc. When I first read The Wakeling ball routine I found it simple, direct, classic and well thought.
don't forget that it is a routine designed for big balls - 2" and biger. I do it with 2" white fakini balls set and I have to be very carefull about the angles. First, I didn't like the part when you put a ball in your pocket to bring the gimmick out later. Yes, it could be done in more artistic manner, but with smaller balls. When you work wth 2 1/4" balls you must play safe and find out other solutions. Here I can see the real work of Benson. For me, the most important featue of this routine is its visibility. Its sad to "see" ball manipulator on some magic competitions that work with small balls. Before we go on with a sophisticated and mind blowing routine, we must make sure that what we do is easily visible from the back of the theater.
The only part that I still don't like of the Wakling routine is the final presentation of the five balls in the right hand. The hand should be almost horisontal to keep the fifth ball from falling and this way, all five balls are not well visible from the front. I just stop at the forth ball.
I was really happy discovering this routine and all the thinking and ideas behind it!
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Hmmmmm.

Soleil, I have found the display of the five at the end to be extremely visible and have no problem holding the hand upright (vertical) per Alan's instructions.

I use 2 1/8" white Fakini Balls and c.pxxm the fifth ball for the display. In that position, as a display it works well as an applause cue--which is how it was intended.

I'm curious--perhaps due to my very large hand size, this position is easier for me? I am able to firmly hold that 5th ball--I don't know, maybe it is a difference in hands, or finger position relative to gripping the other 4?

I'm a bit perplexed.

Anyway, continued good luck. I'll try to view that vid that was mentioned.

Thanks,

John J.
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I have it on video , Gregory Wilson, Mark's son, when he was twelve years old and he does it up to perfection and he mentions that it was taught to him by the master himself ... the name of the special -it's magic -.
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Guys and Ladies,

This is one of the best series of threads I have seen in a long time. True to the Magic Café philosophy of magicians helping magicians. No egos, just guys trying to help each other and get to the answer. Well done. You are all to be commended. It is times like this that give me hope that magicians are not a bunch of egotistical jerks. I want everyone in this forum to give themselves a big pat on the back.

Again, Well Done.

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Dahih beik - Any chance you'll upload that video. We'd all love to watch it!

I agree David.



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Yeah, If you'd be able to upload that video that would be great. I've been wanting to see the routine for years now,

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On 2008-02-22 16:23, samr1990 wrote:
Yeah, If you'd be able to upload that video that would be great. I've been wanting to see the routine for years now,

Sam


Same here.

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Hi,

I'm just reawakening this topic in the hope that SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE will have a video we can all watch. I have been researching the billiard balls for a while now and this is a routine I need to see!

Cheers
Ben Hart
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Heard from Mark this morning that they will Be at Trumps in Atlantic City for the Summer. If your able to get their it will be Amazing!!!
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Hi,
It's been 11 years and I'm still waiting to watch the video of Wakeling's ball routine.. Anybody, anywhere???

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Sherry
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Here is the video of Greg Wilson (at a very young age) doing Alan's routine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFeCjnze5ZM

Mark Kalin's routine seems like it was initially based on Alan's but he mades some changes and it can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfhLKBTvtVM
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First... thank you so much for posting that! Incredible. Ever since I first read that routine in Jim’s book I’ve wanted to see it performed.

But now I realize how much I need practice!!!!!


Tom Stone was working on the Wakeling routine at one time.... I wonder if he has any video?
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The performer who most closely captures the technique and style of Alan Wakeling (doing the billiards) , is Earl Nelson. Earl was taught personally by Alan, and Earl performed Alan’s bar act as well. Alan’s act WAS captured on video during his performance in the “It’s Magic” show one year. I’ve seen the video, and Earl’s performance is a faithful recreation . The major difference was the music.
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Revisiting this thread...
Roy Benson himself performing his billiard ball routine can be scene at this youtube link beginning at about the 3:50 spot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-h_cM5hZ7o&t=222s

Benson's routine is of course a classic. It provides a pleasant variety from the standard presentation taught in the classic magic books.
Having said that though...
I think (and of course this is merely my opinion) it's more magical to start a billiard ball routine with either the hands completely empty and magically produce the first ball and then moving on to the production of the other three balls one after the other--or start with one ball and have that one multiply to four.

I think magicians like the Benson routine mainly because it is different from the routines you find in magic books. But considering that few people in the lay public have ever seen a billiard ball routine, a standard routine looks just as magical--if not more so.

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