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Keith Mitchell
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I have Chop cups but don't know how to use them. Is there a good DVD out there on Chop Cups?

I have the Micheal Ammar C&B Vols 1&2, and other C&B DVDs, but where are the Chop Cup routines?

I saw the James Riser web site and his Chop Cups comes with a jigger, and the jigger made me wonder.

Does anyone use Jiggers with their Chop Cups?

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Keith
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I'm too curious. How did you come to have something you have no idea how to use?
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For the chop cup, I would suggest a booklet titled "The Complete Don Alan Chop Cup Routine" by Ron Bauer. If you really want a DVD, then get Worlds Greatest Magic by the World's Greatest Magicians Chop Cup DVD. Both are good.
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WMG chop cup dvd is the best for the beginner on chop cup!
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I've watched a little bit of Eddy Ray's Complete Course in Magic with Cups & Balls and I liked it a lot. I don't know if he does anything with a gimmicked cup but what I did see was good. The only thing is, he's left handed so if you're not you have to do everything with the opposite hand that he uses.

I too had chop cups and had no idea how to use them because they were a present.
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The DVD referenced above is available from Steven's Magic in Kansas. It's a part of his 'Teach In' Series and is call 'The Classic Chop Cup'. It includes Don Alan's routine as well as other notable performers, Martin Lewis, Brad Burt, and Larry Jennings.

Click here for a link to Steven's Magic
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I received a Micheal Ammar DVD C&B Vol. 2 for Christmas and immediatly became interested in C&Bs. Since I am deaf and the DVD is not Subtitled/Close-Captioning I had no idea about the difference between Chop Cups and regular Cups. Not a clue to what that guy was saying on the History of C&B. This is what I have to live with when there is no Subtitle/CC.

I went to the local Magic store to buy my first set of cups and had no idea what to look for in cups. The salesperson is not a magician but knows how to sell the inventory that they have, so they gave a quick example of what the Chop Cup does and I just assume that it was the right thing to buy at the time.

Later I went and brought mini-cups&balls from the same magic store, so that I could get an idea of how the mini cups work. Now I know that certain cups nest better than others, the mini-cups don't nest very well and the Chop cups do nest pretty good. I like working with the mini-cups, it just feels fun to work with them, but I wish they would have nest properly.

The past few months I have been practicing with my 2 set of C&Bs and been doing some research into C&B via the internet and now I have a better idea of what C&Bs I would like to have. Last night I placed an order for an expensive copper mini-cups from RNT-2, cannot wait to get them. I was planning to get the regular size cups from RNT-2, but I was told they will not be ready until later and I will order them when they are ready.

Therefore, since I already have the Chop-cups I might as well go ahead and learn how to use them. Some of the posters above have recommended WGM Chop Cups DVD, and I will go ahead and order that DVD. Sometimes we learn better from mistakes, so when I bought the chop-cups instead of regular cups maybe it was the right thing to do after all.

Thanks for the response
Keith
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You came to the right place. Folks here are really friendly and want to help folks who are earnestly interested in learning and performing. There are a few folks who are challenged by various things here who can relate their experiences to you.

Welcome.
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Thanks Keith for the explanation. I can see how just viewing a DVD could make you feel like a fish out of water. I remember reading a post of yours before but didn't remember the name. Keith will be easier.
Chop cup is a lot of fun to perform as is C&B's. You stumbled into some good potential for entertainment. The fellows above have given some good places to start. Enjoy!
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Hi,

I think you must check out Paul Daniels's chop cup routine. Its really wonderfull.


magicially yours,


Nedim Guzel
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I like Dan Tong's routie on the very first Reel Magic quarterly. It is the one with Paul Harris on the cover.

It is a good routine with very few slights and a nice impact.
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I second WGM Chop Cup. Its cheap and a great resource.
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Also look into the Larry Jennings Routine. It can be found in a small manuscript called Larry Jennings on Card and Coin Handling.

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Keith,
You continually say Chop Cups (plural) instead of the more usual Chop Cup (singular). Chop Cup is a single cup with a single (visible) ball and usually ends with two large loads. Cups and Balls are two or more cups (usually three) with multiple balls and many loads (3,4, 6, or more!).

It sounds like you have some great DVD sources recommended to you already if you can handle not hearing the explanations. Books are harder to find, but they're out there. Rarely is a single Chop Cup routine worthy of an entire book so most are included within books with other routines.

I'd highly recommend Ron Bauer's write up of the Don Alan routine. It's available from Ron at www.thinklikeaconjurer.com or at http://www.rnt2.com

Plus, being a booklet at $15 it's less than half the cost of a single DVD.
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Keith Mitchell
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Chop CUP, yes I am aware that it is singular. My very first set of aluminum cups, one of them is a chop cup, so in my mind I would think of all three as chop cups.

I am still waiting for my Chop Cup DVDs from Penguin, and also waiting for my RNT-II Mini-Jester cups (wondering what is taking them so long). Can't wait to get those cups into my hands and hear them clink against each other. Yes, I can hear some things although I have 80% hearing loss, my hearing aids cost $5,000 for the pair and are the most powerfull on the market. I always take my hearing aids off before I play racquetball; BAM I get hit all over. Maybe one day I will do a Chop Cup routine on the floor of the racquetball court and have a ball shoot out at my opponent (lol).

Maybe one day I will order a Chop CUP from RNT-II; it's going to take time saving up for one of those expensive cups. Hopefully a $225 cup is worth it???

Reading magic from a book is too boring for me and from watching DVDs I miss what is being said, so I buy several DVDs hoping to make up for loss words. I do have Micheal Ammar's book on C&Bs, but I am never in the mood to read it or any other Magic book(s) that are sitting on the shelf collecting dust. I have Roberto Giobbi's Card College Vol.1-5, and I am still stuck on Vol. 3. He is not fun to read, blah, I rather be reading fiction books.

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Keith
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Keith,
I hope you will discover books in the future
Cards never lie
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You probably know this, but a "better" chop cup will probably not make for a better routine or better magic. It may be better because there is something about working with nice equipment. I'm a much better guitar player when I get to play with a really nice guitar...

It really depends on what you want. The RNT stuff is really beautiful, everything is extremely well made, and the prices are very reasonable for the craftsmanship.

You might also look into a chopped dice cup from someplace like http://theambitiouscard.com/ Pick up a book or a video on dice stacking and you will have two routines...
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Don't pass over Ron Bauer's book simply because it might be "boring." Combine it with the videos you're getting and you'll know a LOT about the Chop Cup. Don't worry about expensive cups quite yet. I get along quite nicely with a non-Chopped cup from a Cups and Balls set. In fact, I like it better than all my other Chop Cups (Yes, I have more than one. Sadly, not from RNT though)
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A Chop Cup is a Chop Cup is a Chop Cup....they are pretty much all the same. I never really liked the 'Mini' style cup as I found the final loads too small to really get the same reaction as a more 'standard' sized cup. But, they ALL do exactly the same thing!

The biggest problem was not getting magic folks to buy a Chop Cup, but to get them to actually learn the moves and do the darn thing. That's why like 18 years ago or so I put out my Chop Cup vid (now DVD) the technique part of which was bought by Joe Stevens for his wonderful...I mean really wonderful DVD on Chop Cup.

My suggestion and Chop Cup still remains my single favorite magic routine after 30+ years of performing it.....pick ANY Chop Cup book, DVD, whatever and learn what's on it. Learn ANY routine and then go from there. Like virtually everyone else in the world my routine started with Don Alan and then evolved from there to what it is now. But, you have to start somewhere. Just learn A routine. Get the Large Loads down....this is the spot that stumbles most magicians who start to learn the Chop Cup and then give it up, but it shouldn't. It's not nearly as difficult to make the loads as most folks think. My technique part on the Steven's DVD will show you how to do them Standing.....AND....Surrounded! So don't worry about having to do it seated, etc.

If you learn to perform Chop Cup well you will NEVER regret it. It's about as close to real magic as most routines ever get. Best,
Brad Burt
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I just watch WGM Chop Cup and it was fantastic. I learned something new from each performer on the DVD.

David Regal was my all time Favorite, I would not want to do his routine because I feel that it is a routine that belongs to him alone.

Gary Ouellet had a very interesting routine and I was glad to see a silent routine for the first time. After I saw this routine I started thinking that maybe Rowan Atkinson, Mr. Bean, would have been great with this routine.

I am happy that I bought this DVD, it taught me quite a lot of new stuff. Now all I have to do is come up with my own routine (blah).

Thanks for the help guys!
Keith
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