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doowopper
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There is a demo of Derren Brown's version of the 10 card poker deal at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Sy3TUsx8I
Is this available? If so, where?
Thanks.
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I doubt much of Derren's material is available as he performs it; likewise with the 10CPD.

However, it looks like the usual principle involved in most routines of this type, with his own subtleties and sequencing put in to ensure the spectator gets what they "need" to get.

If he did what I thought he did, I then especially liked how he handled the very first selection between 2 cards - a very Maven-esque move.

Ortiz's routine is pretty strong as well.
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This is, at heart, a standard 10 card poker deal.
It's got a few subtleties added, but nothing I'd call "exclusive" to Derren.

I'm a fan of Derren's, so don't take this the wrong way.....but I've seen quite a few 10 card poker deals demonstrated by experienced magi that use similar subtleties.

What this clip really shows is that the 10 Card Poker Deal remains a powerful piece of work in capable hands Smile
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I love the 10 card Poker deal. One in particular that I have been enjoying recently is Jack Parker's "Ouroboros."
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Most of Derren's effects, are based very much on principles that most magicians are familiar with. What he does is he comes up with variations of principles and methods and tweaks them slightly for his own purposes. You can see this in many of his other effects, this is no exception.

And hey, why copy Derren Brown? Be your own man! It's just, as like the others have mentioned, a normal, standard poker deal added with an infusion of Derren and a spread of Brown.
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Yes, Brown adds some nice subtleties. I was particularly interested in the card shuffles by the spectators in his routine. Colombini has a nice TCPD (Tested Ten Card Poker Deal - dvd) in which the spectator also shuffles the cards (for the finale) but the presentation after the shuffle is a bit different from what happens in Brown's routine. Also, Scott Guinn adds some nice touches to the TCPD in his, "The World's Worst Card Player!" I had been using Lorayne's reliable TCPD for many, many years but just switched to a variation of Colombini's routine. I thought perhaps Brown might have something out there regarding his thoughts about the TCPD - would be a kick to read/hear since he is such a wonderful creator of and thinker about magic.
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He used magician's choice for the first phase.

In the second and third phase, he dealt first cards and then he started free choice by the spectator.

QH appears as the last card in spectator's hand always.

I am curious to know What is Derren Brown's subtlety in this performance.

Hideo Kato
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That's the same thing I was wondering Kato-san!
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I am interested in Brown's ideas regarding the routine rather than the method. Brown seemed to focus on how the spectator's behavior and signals, and Brown's ability to "control" behavior influenced the outcome, especially since the spectator shuffled twice. Brown's emphasis may have provided a diversion from a hard focus on the cards and also changed the focus from a demonstration of skill with cards to a skill with "reading" and controlling behavior. Some of Brown's comments relevant to this point: "Aware of your signals....," "You're alternating...," and "I can influence you...." The overall theme of a focus on behavior could easily be adapted to different styles.
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On 2008-02-15 04:34, doowopper wrote:
I am interested in Brown's ideas regarding the routine rather than the method. Brown seemed to focus on how the spectator's behavior and signals, and Brown's ability to "control" behavior influenced the outcome, especially since the spectator shuffled twice. Brown's emphasis may have provided a diversion from a hard focus on the cards and also changed the focus from a demonstration of skill with cards to a skill with "reading" and controlling behavior. Some of Brown's comments relevant to this point: "Aware of your signals....," "You're alternating...," and "I can influence you...." The overall theme of a focus on behavior could easily be adapted to different styles.
Richard


Richard:
Manipulating people's actions is a common presentational theme of Derren's - you'll see that in most of his work. I think you're right that it tends to keep people off the true method.
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I agree Mr.Derren Brown's presentational skill is superb. But I believe a good presentation can be fully effective when combound with a good method.

Even if he had spectator shuffle the cards, he always saw faces of the cards. He does not need to see any cards as he always have the Jonah on top of the packet. Seeing faces surely decrease the effect, IMHO.

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Hideo Kato makes a good point that perhaps seeing the face of the cards is unnecessary in a TCPD. However, in Derren's routine, having the face of most of the cards visible most of the time perhaps deemphasizes for the spectator the possibility of card manipulation and emphasizes the alleged unobtrusive process of controlling the behavior of the spectator and picking up behavioral cues from him - perhaps another example of how Derren takes the heat off the cards.
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Just watched Derren's presentation. Forgive me, guys, but it is nowhere as good as my original routine that I published way back 1n the 1960s. As a matter of fact, I could write a long article as to what's wrong with it. Hideo touched on some of it. It's best to occasionally tell the spectator to table ONLY his best cards - his pair, or two pairs, or three of a kind, or whatever. Why have the Jonah card visible to everyone every hand? Also, my routine STRESSES the spectator shuffling. There's no "climax" to his routine. Check out mine to see an "ending," and one which allows the spectator to shuffle THOROUGHLY, which enforces, sets, the idea of him shuffling throughout. You might want to read my re-write of the routine in THE CLASSIC COLLECTION. Sorry, but there's really no comparison. Just my opinion, folks. HARRY LORAYNE.
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