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pbg739
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So, I finally went out and got Pop Card. Let me preface this by saying that this will NOT work for everyone. In the demo, the magician brings the pop tarts into the coffee shop. At first I was slighted by this, and kept asking why? How is that organic to the environment?

However if you do table hopping, or work at a coffee shop in the morning this could work. Bringing a pop tart is not any more out of context than bringing sponge balls etc. It is magic afterall...

The DVD begins with the demo, and then proceeds with the explanation. It is obvious a lot of thought went into every step of this effect. None of the necessary items needed to prepare, are anything you wouldn't already have.

My only suggestion is that you be somewhat familiar with card magic, as the control taught leaves something to be desired. If you can do a pass, or basic card control, this would be a great effect to practice it on.

Overall this dvd is well produced, and the novelty of the effect works!
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MagicSanta
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A card is found in a pop tart, that simple. Here is the problem. The DVD was put together by two stage guys who had good intentions but lacked close up skills, which they admit. This is a case of 'just because you can conceivably get a card into something it doesn't mean you should' because the loading is ackward and the performing circumstances are hard to come across. How often do you find yourself in a situation where you have vanished a card while at the same time you are going to eat a pop tart? It is simply a routine that was marketed for the sake of putting something on the market.

That being said the guys behind this dropped the ball because they tried to present this straight. I wrote a routine for it as a kids show piece because kids relate to pop tarts, it is messy, and crumbling pop tarts is funny if you act like you don't want it to fall apart. This really makes a good kids show effect and due to the lack of real magical experience of the twins (stage performing can be done by non magicians since it mostly consist of what I call The Three Pees, those being Prancing, Posing, and Pointing) they failed to notice this. Had they brought it out as a kids show routine I think they'd have a winner, since they didn't, it is useless....except to you kids show types.
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Thanks for the background Santa! I hadn't realized it was already Christmas....
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GREAT idea about doing it for a kids show. I believe both Brian from Creative Magic and Jason Palter have cards that look like kids Flash Cards. It may be worth consider using those (or at least a deck with bunnies or puppies on them).

Someone asked me when discussing this effect "why a pop tart". to which I replied "why a bill in lemon". But the bill in lemon really kills and although I have not tried this I'd imagine it plays strong as well. It's very funny by the nature of the props.

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The bill in lemon is a keeper cuz that durn lemon is more common than a pop tart.

The bill in pop tart is extremely funny if you play it right because it is unusual more than anything else. For those wanting to do this the DVD does tip the right type of pop tart (flavor) and it can be a great piece. Just because the DVD doesn't present its potential, unfortunately, I came away with a killer routine using it.
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We thank everyone for there comments about our product. We are very excited to bring this effect to the magic community. We choose the street approach because it was a different approach and felt it would be more acceptable to the magic biz(current trend). We use "Pop Card" in our stage show and kids show. This is our first product and comments are welcome, so we can bring the best out of what we deliver as a product. The only thing we did not explore was routines for the effect cause there is SOOO many ways you can do this effect and our concept was not to provide a cookie cutter routine yet to provide you with the tools and expertise on how to execute. In our future product we will supply you with more detailed routines to accommodate those that need routines to follow.

Lemon's are just as common as a Pop Tart. More then 2 billion pop tarts are sold each year. So everyone is familiar with the pop tart.

Magic Santa. I like the exploring of a signed bill to pop tart. Very awesome idea.

Again thank you all for your support and for those that are interested and would like to learn more about what we are talking about please visit: http://store.themirrorimages.com

Have a wonderful day.

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If anyone would like an observation with a broader base, you might read the comment I posted in a previous Pop Card thread:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......start=30

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I have not purchased this effect but after reading the comments I am intrigued. I don't do kid shows but I perform for college age kids and believe me..poptarts are a way of life..just like the salad bar. HHHHMMMMMMMMMM...something for me to think about.

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There, in one post I commented that if you had a cafateria or setting where a pop tart is part of the environment it would work...those are limited to schools and small airport waiting areas. I'd play it like a failed trick. A card is picked and you don't locate it and then get your pop tart and few minutes later while eating it the card is found.

Where you going to school? USF? My nephew was just tossed out of San Francisco State for being a dimwitted momma's boy.
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Actually, for three years I performed at college campuses all over the country, and I am working on a new show to return to that market. My thought would be to have a card selected and signed and lost. During the show, a snack is in order and well, you can see where this is going. This sounds interesting....
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Yes, for you it is stage then. It can work with stage but of course no one will bite that you really wanted a snack during the show but that is cool, people don't buy into a lot of what we do! Good luck with the new show.
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Well Santa, it's probably reasonable to assume you are not a "street assassin" or "stage guy", or “blank faced Blaine disciple” or “Hallway Hitman”. It may also be fair to say you may not be giving a fair opinion. The obvious observation is that you may have some prejudice regarding street/stage magicians, or anyone who does not pick up and lay down the same act table to table. You are referring to a group of performers in a derogatory way, at least that is how it sounds to me. Kinda dangerous territory, and a bit small minded. Don't take my word for it, does anyone else get this impression from your posts?

Also, you tend to make a lot of presumptions about this effect. One funny thing is the crumbs. There is a great utility item readily available for this dilemma, like a napkin! You could try placing it flat on the table before the effect begins, keeping the pop tart held over it when it’s extraction time! One more thing, tell me what self-respecting restaurant finds the mere presence of mere crumbs to be intolerable? Santa, do you have a tattoo? Because I swear you’re living on Fantasy Island.

Did you even purchase this effect? How much have you actually worked with it? If you did purchase this effect, where a signed card is withdrawn from a real Pop Tart, why do you make posts complaining about “messy”, “crumbs” and “not immediately repeatable”? Which one of these did you imagine not being a part of the effect? How long have you been in the business? BTW, for “messy” there’s this great utility item……..

You basically just repeated the same post twice I responded to the first time, but then again I forgot you check your list twice.

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MagicSanta
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Well young Sean you are full of bs. If you can't see why this type of thing isn't suitable for table work then you are either blind or just don't want to come to terms with it. The performing styles that I said it wouldn't be, in my opinion, good for can come and explain why they think it would work for them. There are plenty of items that I've reviewed that I've said would be perfect for the 'street assassins' and 'hallway hitmen' and whatever it is you are perhaps.

Now you ask questions and I'll respond to them.

Q:Did you even purchase this effect?
Answer: Well, I certainly didn't shop lift it, I have it sitting right here under my clip board. I don't comment on items based on promo videos or anything like that, if I have it I comment, if I don't I don't.

Q: How much have you actually worked with it?
Answer: Quite a bit, gave me an excuse to buy a bunch of the poptarts because I love the recommended flavor (which I won't tip). They are fragile, difficult to load smoothly, and hard to transport. If you watch the video, assuming you have, you'll note the young man performing didn't load it very smoothly at all and he then excused it by stating he isn't a card guy or close up guy. I then pondered the item, which I do before putting together a review because there may be a perspective I'm not seeing. It then hit me that it may work great for kids show and I had one set up, scripted it out, and it worked great because of the same reasons it isn't great in other performing situations. It could work on stage if presented well.

Q: If you did purchase this effect, where a signed card is withdrawn from a real Pop Tart, why do you make posts complaining about “messy”, “crumbs” and “not immediately repeatable”?
Answer: Huh? As for the immediately repeatable part, which I did understand, once again that was for specific performing situations and the two I gave, I believe, were strolling and tableside. They are fragile, what are you going to do? Run back and reload after each performance? I don't care what the effect is, if you have to run back to the kitchen during the night you shouldn't be doing it. Same with strolling. As for the Blainiacs no self respectful follower of the black deck would every lower him/herself to performing with at pop tart. Since the fragility isn't as major a problem for stage and kids show that is why I said it works in those cases.

Q. Which one of these did you imagine not being a part of the effect?
Answer: To be honest I was lead to believe the DVD was on something else rather than finding a card in a pop tart, it isn't called Card To Pop Tart now is it?

Q: How long have you been in the business?
Answer: Oh I'm just a newbie, only been doing it for about 37 years.

Being the kind soul I am I have no challenges or question for you because it is pretty clear to me a few things and I don't care about the other stuff. I will tell you that I did more than many would have done, I found a good use for the idea. I think my opinions are pretty dead on. If you want to carry around a pocket full of pop tarts and think it is an effective routine when working tables or strolling then more power to you. I just don't happen to believe you do it nor that anyone does it and I don't think the creators do it other than on stage and the entire packaging of this DVD was to sell it to the 'street magicians', even on their site it is listed as being street magic. Just to let you know there are lots of great effects that are not suitable for table work or strolling and excluding something from that catagory isn't derogitory by any streatch, not everything created works in every circumstance, you just need the wisdom and honesty to seperate out what will work in what arena.

Any other questions or clearification needed?
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Thanks Santa for the honest and open reply. As usual, I enjoyed your views . . .

On this note - I am sure there are more than a handful of Café members who will agree with me that the reviews that Santa writes are objective, with a slight balance towards the positive side.

Personally, I did benefit a lot from his views and recommendations.
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Thank you. I tend toward the positive because just because I don't have a use for something doesn't mean in anothers hands it would not be brilliant.
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I'll throw my two cents in as well, thanks Santa. I appreciate the review and the candor, makes it easier for me since I am going through a lot of material currently preparing for a new show. Thanks again.

Charlie
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On 2008-02-21 23:49, MagicSanta wrote:
Thank you. I tend toward the positive because just because I don't have a use for something doesn't mean in anothers hands it would not be brilliant.


You know my opinion about that my friend . . . .
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Hey gang. Wow.... Lets all step back and just breath here. Both Sean and Magic Santa hold very valid points. We thank you for all the input you guys have on the product we sell. Please remember we are not card magician as we state in the DVD. Thus why we created something simple slights to work for this effect. Why should I lye? But I feel we created an effect that works and has a WOW factor that we hear about all the time. Everyone wants to know how the pop tart effect works. The load is quiet easy and it takes practice. Just like every effect you do. I think I practiced more on the raven then any other effect I have done for restaurant work. But it will take time and practice.

I hear great stories from other performers that perform the effect today. So yes you guys are right it really depends who it will work for. Not every trick out there is made for everyone.

About being messy. Well lets just say it is a great visual. Something that really sells the effect. Just an extra element to the effect. And you have a napkin you can clean up with. A great addition with the napkin is Michael Modes Napkins. ( http://www.napkinrose.com/ ) You can clean the table and then make a rose and give it to them. Just have to think outside the box. We have many routines that we do with the effect and have been considering coming out with a second version for routines. Have not made a final decision about that yet.

Magic Santa we perform this for our restaurant gigs, stage shows, fair shows, and close up shows. They work great at each event. Just want to clear that up. For restaurant we don't do it for every table. What we do is have several made up in the kitchen and we just go reload. That or you have a box full of them and inside a box is 6 total pop tarts you can use.

Also Magic Santa we totally forgot about the kid shows. Glad this worked out great for one of your shows. Something that we never thought off adding to the marketing aspect of the product. Some things are over looked.

Well guys please play nice. Thank you again. Talk to you all soon.

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Ok, I'm going to approach this from another angle for you. First, you really need to acknowledge the way you slammed street/stage magicians. The other fellows speaking of objectivity might want to do that as well. Otherwise, your opinions come off more like bullets. Your "reviews" may be more validated that way.

Q1. You still did not answer the question? If you are going to review it, I'm sure you supported the Magic Community by purchasing it. So where did you purchase it?
Q2. The load was fine, close up guy or not. Could be mistaken, but I think it was Daryl who talked about how you handle cards at a table. You make it a lot harder for yourself by finger flinging sometimes, because now they will you burn you and turn up the skepticism dial. However, if you can get over not doing the acrobatics you will not excite their suspicion. BTW, the guy that made the most tips at Illusions Restaurant in Carmel, IN (where I worked for a few years) did sponge bunnies. It is all personality when it comes to restaurant, that's the final word. Michael & Steven definately have that.
Q. Too Fragile? Tell me, what's more fragile than invisible thread??? Maybe, just maybe keeping them in the original box while in the bag would work. That's not a difficult obstacle to navigate. Reloading, as I said before & before; you may not want to do the effect at every table, hold it back to do when it will do the most good. You may could go back and read the original post on the old thread where I said this. If you want to do it repeatedly, fine. You could prep a few Pop Tarts for the night before you go to work! Also, I know lots of guys that will go reload and hit the next table. Most guys need a breath between tables.
Q. Anyone else think they weren't working with a Pop-Tart?, HUH?
Q. If you are a kind soul, then maybe try going a little easier on these guys because of how they do something. If you're going to review street/stage effects when it doesn't sound like you do them, then maybe it's fair not to review them. I think that's being objective.

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