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Pharaoh
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Hi

I have developed a system to help remember numbers which some of you might find useful.

I have previously tried to learn the Major system and also Dominic O'Brian's systems but have always found them mentally demanding and extremely time consuming to learn. In fact with these systems despite good intentions and being extremely motivated to learn I have never really got very far with them and learning the associations connected with the numbers.

I believe that with my system the associations are much easeir to learn and will actually mean that you can begin the act of remembering numbers (or indeed pegging other words to each number) much quicker than with the other systems.

I have written the system up into the form of a booklet available from Lulu here which I have called the I.M.P System:

http://www.lulu.com/content/2044583

If you have previously tried to learn the Major system or Dominic O'Brians system like me and not had much luck then I would strongly suggest you give my method a try. Alternatively, if you are new to memory systems for remembering numbers then again I would suggest you take a look at the I.M.P. System.

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Your being unable to remember a handful of associations does not instill me with confidence in your ability to make a significant contribution to the field.

Also, you can get one of Harry Lorayne's books (THE expert in the field...one at least) for free on the web. At that rate, you may want to question the wisdom of your pricing structure.

What one fool can do, another can. - old simiam proverb
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Hi John,

Thank you for your comments but I do think that you have perhaps mis-understood the nature of the memeory system - both mine and also ones like the Major system.

The Major system utilises a number of rules that must first be learned and remembered. These are rules translating the numbers 0-9 into consonants. These consonants are then translated into words, mainly nouns, and with most systems these are any words that fit - for example net = 21. In Domonic O'Brian's system there is still a system of translating the number 0-9 into consonants (slightly different) but then that relates to initials for names of people. Using both of these old systems it is more than just a handful of associations that need to be remembered as potentially you remember associations for numbers 0 - 100 and higher if wanted.

Therefore, for the Major system that is at least 100 nouns or for the O'Brian system over 100 people. What must also be remembered and often referred to are the initial rules of what letters mean what number. My point, and difficulty I had was for me, and I'm sure others who have tried to learn these systems is that it is a lot of information to remember and the rules, for ascertaining which associations are for which number and not always straight forward.

In any event - even if I did have an inability to remember a handful of items, as you say, to be able to remember in excess of over 100 associations with the system I have developed is even more of an achievement then, I'm sure you would agree.

I would say that if a system doesn't work then it doesn't matter if it is free. My system has helped me to remember phone numbers etc with ease and the 100+ associations for each of the numbers 0-100 (plus others) and so I do think there is definitely merit in it. Also, much work has gone into the write up of the system as well as its development and therefore I do think that the price is reasonable.

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I am very familiar with both the dominic and the major system; the latter I use daily. The ad seems to suggest your system is for remembering numbers primarily. In the major system there are nine connections that have to be remembered to actually use the system. (Maybe three or four more.)Those nine connections allow me to remember numbers with virtually no effort. No lists of nouns to memorise.
Now if, as your response suggests, you wish to remember objects as well, that is a bit more involved, but not excessively so. I have never memorised a set list, but create a detailed image for each new thing that I wish to remember. (Of course, I can stow lists of 100-200 items fairly readily into my memory palace. )
There seems to be a bit more to your system than the ad copy indicates; it may not be entirely superfluous.
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Has anyone forked out the dough for this? Is it crap?
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On 2008-02-25 00:05, JohnWells wrote:
Has anyone forked out the dough for this? Is it crap?


Wow, don't you think you're being a bit rough on Pharoah?

How about a constructive question:

Pharoah, how does your system improve on the basic system associating phonetic sounds with each of the numbers 0-9 (e.g. 0 = S or Z; 1 = T or D; 2 = N; 3 = M; 4 = R; etc.)?
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Maybe. I would still like an answer.
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John, in short the answer as to whether this is 'crap' is no. Perhaps 'has anyone forked out the dough for this? Is it any good' would have been a nicer and more helpful sentiment to have brought to the board. In any event I would say that if you already have a system for rememebering numbers, which it appears you do, then that is great and don't worry about the IMP System.


However, and in answer to Arnon's question I would say that the IMP System has much to offer if you don't already have a memory system for numbers or have struggled with the Major system.

I strongly believe that the easiest way to remember numbers is to have an image for each number. This is an image that immediately comes to mind when you are presented with a number. (For example, 62 = bicycle).

What the IMP System does is to give you the images for numbers 0-99 (including 00) in addition to images for each of the hundred marks, i.e. 100, 200, 300 etc. These are images that are logically formed and can easily be remembered. Therefore, you will soon be in a position where when presented with a number you immediately recall its image. Where long numbers are needed to be remembered then you will link those images together.

Part of the reason why the images are easy to remember is because they are based on simple shapes/rhymes and also themed for each set. For example, the 40s are all weapons, the 60s are all forms of transport. Plus, the reason for, for example, the 40s being weapons, is also logical and explained as part of the system.

Essentially, therefore and to reiterate what I said above the strength of the system is that you will quickly learn what each of the images are for each of the numbers 0-99 plus the hundered marks. There is no need to translate numbers to letters and then to try to ascertain a word from those letters (as in the Major System) as you will already have an image in mind with the IMP System. Also, if you use the Major system to give you images that you intend to use each time, for example, always associating net with 21, then again I would say that the IMP System will allow you to learn the associations much quicker than having to learn the associations for the Major System (again because my system uses shape/rhyme and the logic of themes).


I hope that this answers your question Arnon. I would also add that the reason for developing the system was due to personal experience with the Major System and the time and effort it was taking to remember associations for each of the numbers 0-99 under the Major System and the O'Brian system. I wanted to extend the one = pen, two = shoe type of associaitons which are instantly remembered and so I extended these to develop the IMP System.

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Your system sounds like just what the memory doctor ordered for many folks out there.

I, for one, can't change systems, because I learned what you call the Major System as a kid, and I can't forget it. Smile

Good luck filling the need for an easier system,

All the Best,
Arnon
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I'm not sure what these major systems etc. are, but I have read many, many, many memory books. So much so, I don't think there has been anything really new since the ancient greeks loci and it's later refinement (the peg system).

From what I have read here, there would be no advantage of this system over the standard peg system. One can learn the conversion rules of the phonetic alphabet upon which the peg system is based, then make up your own image.

For something simple like 1-100, this can be done very easily: I can still remember the peg words for 1-100 and I haven't used them in years.

So, if you need to remember one or two hundred things it is easy to do with the pegword images. Indeed, a few practice runs after learning the phonetic alphabet (for which there are also mnemonics to make it easy to learn those) one simply remembers the images and whatever one is associating with them. That is, one does not continually use the phonetic alphabet if all one requires is a hundred or so images to remember things.

The pegword system as it is actually used is exactly what this IMP system is supposed to be. Using the peg system, the image immediately comes to mind just as claimed for this system.

And, an advantage or actually learning the pegword/image system from the phonetic alphabet is that you can make up your own images if you really want to.

I would buy one of Harry Lorraine's memory books or just learn the peg system (since Harry Lorraine didn't invent it).

--Mike
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In fact, "Super Power Menory" can be found online for free.

I still want to hear a review from someone who has actually paid money for this.
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For those that are interested a number of reviews of the system can be found here:

http://www.magicbunny.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=38851
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Based on the description in the reviews, this seems very similar to Jack Tillar's system.
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Here are my two cents. I believe the easiest way to associate an image with a number is to make up your own list by searching your own already existing memory. Certain numbers might already be associated with certain images in your brain. Of course, you should then use this already existing association. All the other methods and lists are either ways to find your own images to associate with numbers or are particularly convenient lists for the author himself but not necessarily for anybody else.

Having said that, I do believe that one can still learn quite a bit from lists others have created. So I think the IMP system has definitely merit, not necessarily as THE system to use for you, but as a method to derive your own list of words and images.

If you put in the work to come up with words and images by yourself, you will have a much easier time remembering and using it. So my advice is to study as many systems as possible but then not use any system out of the box, but customize it or find combinations of systems that work for you.

You might want to check out the following ebooks: http://www.lybrary.com/magic-memory-mnemonics-c-21_33.html
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Thanks for the laughs, folks. Please tell me where you can get one of my books free on the internet. If that's true, it is without permission, and I'd like to put a stop to it. Best - HL
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