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Cohiba Special user Michigan 749 Posts |
It seems like this thread is comparing apples to oranges. As far as I know, and from what I've seen, Steve is not a magician. He doesn't do magic tricks, he shows what is possible with a deck of cards (and dice, etc.) at the gambling tables. That's not magic - the technique is openly shown and described.
There's not a magician alive that can compare to his expertise with a deck of cards when it comes to gambling sleights and routines. On the other hand, there are many magicians that could blow him away with card manipulation, or a variety of other "magic tricks". It also may be possible that there is a card handler out there that is better than Steve. If so, his name wouldn't be known to magicians. He'd be a professional gambler. |
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts |
Spot on . . .
Cards never lie
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Dorian Rhodell Inner circle San Francisco, CA. 1633 Posts |
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On 2008-02-20 23:39, Cohiba wrote: To quote Paul Chosse, "As for Forte, someone posted to the effect that he is not a magician - nothing could be further from the truth - ask one of HIS mentors, Ray Goulet..." Best, Dorian Rhodell |
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Cohiba Special user Michigan 749 Posts |
Dorian:
I am not an expert on Forte - I've only seen some of his work on television and his Gambling Protection series. I'm sure with his chops that he can pull off some pretty cool card magic tricks - why would you not do some neat effects from a related field when you already have the tools at your disposal? However, his "thing" is gambling. Just like Pavarotti could no doubt sing other types of music, he was primarily known for opera music. That was his niche. Many magicians can pull off a simple gambling trick or two, but you wouldn't classify them as false dealing / gambling experts. The fact that he had a magician as a mentor, and maybe started his path due to an interest in magic is irrelevent in my opinion. He settled into his niche as probably the best false dealer / gambling demonstrator out there. His latest offering is a massive book on all forms of gambling protection. I doubt there's a magician that could have produced that book. |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
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I am not an expert on Forte - Your statement is dead on. |
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walid ahumada Special user sinaloa, mexico 892 Posts |
It is just a matter of taste, I think DARWIN ORTIZ works smoother.
walid
“Magic becomes art when it has nothing to hide.” BEN OKRI quote
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Danny Borneo Special user 722 Posts |
Darwin is amazing and a very competent performer, but I wouldn't really put him in the same class as Forte. Now maybe I'm out of line here (I don't keep as much with the politics of this thing we do as much as I used to due to other projects), but I see no mention of Martin Nash. From what I remember of the performances I've seen of his he can hold his own with Forte, not saying he's better, but could definitely keep pace with him for a long while. Again I haven't seen anything of his in years, but what I remember was amazing.
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Cain Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 1553 Posts |
Steve Forte vs. Ricky Jay vs. Martin Nash vs. Darwin Ortiz blah blah blah. After this maybe you guys could argue over which one of your dads would win in a fight, or better yet, if Guile could actually take Zangiff. Frankly, I never bought the whole "razor kick" idea (it's physically impossible).
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
This thread has gotten so sidetracked from what it was obviously intended to say.
No one was trying to say that Forte is better at performing magic then anyone. What I read and what some are trying to say as well. When it comes to gambling moves Steve Forte has no equal. This has been true in the past and at this time still is. No one is trying to take anything away from Ricky Jay, Or anyother expert cardmen that we know of. The simple fact was posted by the author of this thread that Forte was the best. Those who know this to be the fact agreed. Those that tried to read more into the original post have sidetracked it and turned it into something compleatly different. Randy |
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Chris SD Special user 737 Posts |
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On 2008-02-21 14:10, Danny Borneo wrote: By reading your post, I'm not sure whether we're talking about card handling or a timed mile. Darwin Ortiz, Steve Forte, and Martin Nash don't need random guys on the magic Café to measure their chops for them. |
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Danny Borneo Special user 722 Posts |
To both Caine and Chris SD those are pretty harsh reactions to someone's post who is engaging in a conversation and giving an opinion in an open forum. The discussion was on the skills of Steve Forte which I basically acknowledge and am in awe of Forte's skill but was just bringing up another cardman's skill that some may have overlooked in there talk (which was already going on before I gave my opinion). Keeping with the initial post I gave Forte his Kudos, but added to the topic for further discussion and not to have an opinion shot down. Sorry if that rubbed either of you the wrong way but no need to flame someone on their opinion. I would also assume that none of the aforementioned magicians need someone to defend their honor from people expressing their opinions about them either.
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Hansen Special user Down Under 653 Posts |
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Mano Inner circle 1028 Posts |
Hansen,
Ditto. |
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts |
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On 2008-02-21 15:26, Hansen wrote: amen
Cards never lie
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Chris SD Special user 737 Posts |
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On 2008-02-21 15:15, Danny Borneo wrote: I'm never harsh, I can assure you I wrote that with a smile. But, if you really want to make comparisons, Martin Nash is to Steve Forte what Sylvester Stallone is to Mike Tyson. |
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts |
As actors?
Cards never lie
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Cohiba Special user Michigan 749 Posts |
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On 2008-02-21 15:03, Chris SD wrote: I don't think anyone was doing this for Darwin's, Steve's, or Martin's benefit. Quote:
On 2008-02-21 20:57, Chris SD wrote: I agree completely. Quote:
On 2008-02-21 15:00, RS1963 wrote: Several people in the thread suggested that Forte might not be all he's cracked up to be. Others disagreed. As far as this thread deviating from the OP, there's very few threads out there to which that isn't the case. Quote:
On 2008-02-21 14:57, Cain wrote: I bet Forte can kick Martin's butt. Quote:
On 2008-02-21 11:13, silverking wrote: I'd love to be enlightened. As a fan of Forte's, any new information would be much appreciated, and I doubt I'm the only one. What do you know that could expand my mind? |
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Medifro Inner circle Miami 1261 Posts |
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On 2008-02-22 00:59, Cohiba wrote: What is this? Some sort of a game where card heroes fight together? Personally, I never found it good to compare, especially when it comes to legends of card handling. Saying "Ortiz is better" or whatever, its like children who watched a super hero program, and fighting on Superman being better than Batman. What I do know, that I aim to be better than them. ~ Feras |
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Mr. Z Special user 818 Posts |
Why still has nobody mentioned Johnny Ace Palmer?!?!?
"...if you have to say you is, you ain't."--Jimmy Hoffa
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rawdawg Special user Southern California 686 Posts |
Because he doesn't palm Aces anymore?
Anyways, everybody knows Batman is clearly superior to Superman.
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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