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T. Joseph O'Malley Inner circle Canada 1937 Posts |
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On 2008-02-22 21:06, Mano wrote: True - but he cheats... Then again, I guess Batman cheats too.
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Comic books aside, Mr. O'malley, my fellow Canadian, do you feel that I am doing something wrong by preferring Ricky Jay to Steve Forte? I am greatly impressed by Steve's skill, but I just think Ricky Jay is a better card man. Why does this invoke such anger amongst my fellow practitioners?
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Hansen Special user Down Under 653 Posts |
My 13-year-old cousin is better than Steve Forte!
At skateboarding! |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Wow... How so?
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ASW Inner circle 1879 Posts |
I know Steve Forte. He's an excellent card man. I've also seen Ricky Jay perform live several times. He's an excellent card man. They're both up there with the best and I wouldn't rate one higher than the other.
This whole thread reminds me of the sequence in Woody Allen's Radio Days when he reminisces about his mother and father's pointless bickering: Narrator: And then there were my father and mother... two people who could find an argument in any subject. Father: Wait a minute! Are you telling me you think the Atlantic... is a greater ocean than the Pacific? Mother: No, have it your way. The Pacific is greater.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
A magician on the Genii Forum "I would respect VIPs if they respect history." Hideo Kato |
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T. Joseph O'Malley Inner circle Canada 1937 Posts |
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On 2008-02-23 00:02, magicfish wrote: Well, since you appeal to my Canuckedness and all...i don't think you're doing anything wrong. I just don't really know what the definitions and boundaries are for making a comparison like this - other than personal preference. I would say that from what I've seen, Ricky Jay is more entertaining on camera than Steve Forte...but then again, I've only ever seen Mr Forte doing things of an instructional nature, while Ricky Jay was doing a fully scripted stage show. I've never seen either of them do anything live & for me, that's the best way to get a feel for something of this nature. Though they use the same tools and possibly share some techniques, their overall end goals are quite different - so it's almost like comparing apples to oranges. I think we can all agree that they're both excellent at what they do and their videos get pirated a lot. So when they get re-released (have not heard about any of Ricky Jay's stuff), everyone should buy them. And, unfortunately, comic books really do distract me just as you've seen here...
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MagicKim Special user Åland, Finland 621 Posts |
I have seen Mr Forte's tapes and some "underground" videos of him as well. Don't know what else to call it, anyway, they are private videos or something. When it comes to the technical part of cheating with sleight of hand, I have never, ever, seen anything even close to his skills. Never seen him do any trick though unfortunately.
Ricky Jay is great with a deck of cards, he is a great performer but no-one, at least known to the public, can beat Steve Forte when it comes to technical skills at the card table. My 2 cents, Kim |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On 2008-02-23 09:19, T. Joseph O'Malley wrote: Well said. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
He is the best Cardsharp I have ever seen anyway.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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h2o Veteran user 305 Posts |
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it's almost like comparing apples to oranges. That pretty much sum it up and should close an endless and useless discussion. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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walid ahumada Special user sinaloa, mexico 892 Posts |
STEVE FORTE is good at showing his skills while the other are good at hide them.
“Magic becomes art when it has nothing to hide.” BEN OKRI quote
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On 2008-02-23 11:23, h2o wrote: I'll have to disagree with you on that one. Taking time to notice what is distinct and different and what makes two of the greats so successful is far from "useless" . It's a petty more upstart magicians don't study these men. FRaternally, Fish |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Good point. One wonders, as strange as this might sound coming from I who thinks Forte is great, if putting Steve Forte forward as the best dose harm to card magic, by causing young card guys to think that card magic is all about skill. Now Steve Forte is quite an entertaining guy but in my opinion he is not a model for a Magician. The emphasis for a Magician should surely be more on acting than skill at juggling cards.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Clock Elite user Los Angeles, CA 460 Posts |
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On 2008-02-21 12:56, walid ahumada wrote: I just fell out of my chair. |
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ASW Inner circle 1879 Posts |
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On 2008-02-23 18:16, Clock wrote: Don't you mean "fell off my prayer rug"?
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
A magician on the Genii Forum "I would respect VIPs if they respect history." Hideo Kato |
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Clock Elite user Los Angeles, CA 460 Posts |
Thanks for correcting me ASW, my spellcheck didn't pick that up...
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Sean Macfarlane Special user 880 Posts |
Peforming aside...when it comes down to chops and technique and just the way it is supposed to look. Steve is the man!!!
Sean |
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ASW Inner circle 1879 Posts |
Blah. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Blah-de-blah, blah, blah.
Blah. Blah-blah, blah-de-blah.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
A magician on the Genii Forum "I would respect VIPs if they respect history." Hideo Kato |
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts |
Lol . .
Cards never lie
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