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montemagic Elite user San Diego, CA 471 Posts |
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On 2008-02-25 20:07, magicfish wrote: You are incredibly misinformed, and one major problem with what was told to you was the fact that it came from a breeder. Breeders, with a few exceptions, are self-proclaimed experts in a field they know very little about. Breeders are primarily in breeding for money, many do not have a normal job, and most try to cover the truth of that with a variety of other purposes. There is nothing wrong with making money, however the majority of these people CREATE information about their breed or other breeds that makes their product seem more valuable. Many breeders have a huge list of "rules" that you must follow in order to purchase one of their puppies. I suggest you smile, agree, sign the form and consult a veterinarian. I have seen breeders require people to feed raw-food diets, which is potentially dangerous and completely unnecessary unless prescribed. I have seen breeders tell people to not get certain vaccines because their breed is pre-disposed to reactions to vaccines, this is partially true, and the problem is breeders continuing to breed animals with 'bad genes' that have these reactions (I have also seen animals with every disease that vaccines prevent, except rabies, and the horrible suffering they go through because they didn’t get a simple shot). Some people will continue to consult breeders about medical advice as problems arise, usually because they fall victim to this breeder’s so-called expertise, and people actually believe what breeders suggest, to an often fatal conclusion for their pet. These people are MOSTLY completely out of their minds, a good reference to this is the movie “Best in Show” those characters represents very real people, and those people are breeders. I speak (or type) only from personal experience in dealing with these people, and I have not dealt with all of them out there. The new thing for these people is mixing two breeds and slapping a name on it and charging outrageous amounts of money for what is essentially a mutt, and people CONTINUE to buy right into it. I don’t know about any of you, but I trust the advice given by actual professional who studied in school and adhere to a set of standards. Not the person that has read some books and had a few thousand litters go through their house. To me, that just qualifies them as a good house cleaner. Part of what you say is true, dogs will continue to kill people if people are allowed to continue abusing them. See my above posts for the explanation to this.
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rawdawg Special user Southern California 686 Posts |
We had a shop dog named Snappy. He was a pit bull. He was the laziest dog I ever knew. All he did was lay around. People would just step over him if he was laying in the way including customers, solicitors, UPS guys, whoever... He sure hated other dogs though...
One time, he was left alone for the weekend while the owner was away. I was to check up on Snappy and fill his food/water dish. I arrived at the house at 9 p.m. and it was pitch dark. I flipped on the lights, walked down the hallway and heard breathing up ahead. I peered around corner at the same time Snappy happened to look. This full grown, rather chubby Pit Bull looked up at me and flinched back in surprise. He cowed for a moment and eventually figured out who I was and started wagging his tail. I laughed and called him all sorts of names. I miss that dog.
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2008-02-22 01:09, montemagic wrote: Okay, so you seem to admit that pit bulls ARE dangerous. To other animals at least. Now, as you know it's hard to find good statistics on dog bites of humans because most go unreported. But some of what I've turned up is as follows: --- http://www.dogexpert.com/Dog%20Bite%20St......ics.html - In the United States, pit bulls make up one to three per cent of the overall dog population and cause more than 50 per cent of serious attacks. - From 1979 to 1998, at least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in bite related deaths. Pit Bulls and Rottweilers were involved in more than 50 percent of these incidences. - When a pit bull bites a human, one in 16 (e.g. 1/16) will inflict serious injury; this contrasts with a ratio of 1/296 Dobermans, and 1/156 German shepherds. http://www.la-spca.org/dedication/talk/t_judge.htm (this is from a pro-pit bull article): - According to "Fatal Dog Attacks, the Stories Behind the Statistics," by Karen Delise there were 431 deaths because of dog attacks in the years from 1965 to 2001. Children 12 younger were the victims in 79 percent of the fatal attacks. - Pit bull and pit mixes account for 21 percent of all human fatalities, while mixed breed dogs account for 16 percent and other nonspecified breeds, 15 percent. --- All of the above, along with other statistics I've seen, suggest that pit bulls are dangerous. Now, maybe it IS the owner's fault. I'm happy to concede that for the sake of argument. So, what do you propose? Having people go through a training period or a psych profile before they are allowed to own a dog seems completely unworkable. I don't see people putting up with that. So what can be done to address the pit bull 'problem' EXCEPT put restrictions on breeding or ownership of these dogs?
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Hey Rawdawg....gotta get together and have some rum and coke.....
My bassett hound is in love with a freak dog. It is half Chihuahua (sp?) and half boxer. Picture if you will a dog with a small Chihuahua body and a full size Boxer head, looks line a frankenstien dog. I named him Thugly. |
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montemagic Elite user San Diego, CA 471 Posts |
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On 2008-02-25 23:24, balducci wrote: If you didn't notice, dogexpert.com is a legal site. Not to say that his "statistics" aren't true, but I think the motivation of the site is obvious. And what was the last phrase of the spca site story? Because I have been bitten so many times, I can tell you that doctors are required by law to report dog bites and gather rabies vaccine history for that report. I do not know who that info goes to, but they probably have good statistics. Here are some more statistics: Quote:
The American Temperament Test Society examined nearly 23,000 dogs of various breeds in 2001, testing them for the ability to recover from loud sounds, their reaction to strangers aggressively walking toward them and other situations. http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/wolff.html Realistically you can find studies or statistics to support whatever you are looking for on the internet. There are statistics that show smoking can be beneficial to your health. What do I suggest we do? That is a tuff question, but I don't think the actions of man should condemn the reputation of animal. Do you? Just because my neighbor is a moron, does that mean I shouldn't be able to have a dog? You say that people wouldn't put up with restrictions, well I think that would solve it right there. The people that were truly motivated to take on an animal would put forth the effort. These restrictions would only be needed in areas where we already have problems; the majority of people are great pet owners. You said you agree that the people are the problem; do you really think they won't just switch to a new breed that is "legal" in their area and do the same thing? People are very predictable. I don't see restricting a breed as being a solution; we need to restrict the responsibility in order to get results.
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montemagic Elite user San Diego, CA 471 Posts |
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On 2008-02-25 23:27, MagicSanta wrote: Thugly is a good name
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enginemagic Special user Bluffton Indiana 597 Posts |
Theres many things that factor that. I noticed owners have a influence on attitude of their dogs.
Amish have all types of dogs,and are nice non agressive in their actions. With a agressive dog like that just be armed with a good weapon. my choice is a 9MM pistol LOL
theres a lot to learn out there,many interesting subjects,and hobbies to enjoy
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rawdawg Special user Southern California 686 Posts |
Rum and Coke sounds delicious, Thugly Rum & Cokes sound delirious!
Thugly Rum & Coke (Thugly Libre) Fill a high ball glass with ice and half fill with Coca-Cola TM. In a cocktail shaker, combine 2 shots of Carriacou Original Jack Iron with the juice of half a lime poured into and immediately out of Habenero. Add ice and shake. Strain the mixture over the Coke. The Rum and Spicy lime juice mix should float over the coke.
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Thugly update. I heard the girls (my yorkies) freaking out so I went outside to find Thugly, dragging his rope his owners tied him up with, licking one yorkie while my bassett danced around them....The Thug is back baby!
(Note: when I returned the dog its owner informed me his real name is Toughie, I'm sticking with Thugly) |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
My wife and I have a Pit/lab mix who was a rescue dog. She's twice the size of your average pit, with the same muscular build and jaws, and she's just about the sweetest big ol' thing you've ever laid your eyes on. She might hurt a fly, but never a person- in fact, our house was broken into, and the dog did nothing- in fact, she probably led the guy around to the good stuff.*
Pit Bulls, in the UK, are known as "nanny dogs" because, when properly trained, they are excellent around children. *(Lest you get any ideas, we now have an alarm.)
Self-proclaimed Jack-of-all-trades and google expert*.
* = Take any advice from this person with a grain of salt. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Ahhhh, you are just trying to fit in with the folks in Union City....
You mention the break in (dang that Oakland), there was a show on discover I think about these guys who break into a house. Every time they showed a dog the dog would either hide or follow the rober around! In one case he stole the dog too! |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Actually, there were at least two dog owners in the same complex who had break-ins as well (dalmation and a little mutt). I guess we're lucky that our dog wasn't aggressive, since both the other dogs were beaten. The dalmation was injured so severely that its hindquarters were permanently paralysed, and it now has to get around in a doggy-wheelchair.
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gsidhe Inner circle Michigan 1725 Posts |
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On 2008-02-25 21:16, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Sarcastic or not... One of the most distributed calendars of this nature are put out by my friend Dre. If you are a pit supporter, have a look at this and buy one if you can. If not...Have a look anyways. http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseac......29754593 Gwyd |
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PutASpellOnMe New user OK 27 Posts |
I disagree. Aside from this forum, most people I meet, including my Vet disagree. Pit Bulls are at the top of the list of dogs that increase your home insurance.
Our neighbors bought a pit bull as a pup about a year ago. I have never done anything to the dog. Twice in the last month, he has gotten away from his owner when she had him in the front yard and charged at me in my own yard, snarling, and jarring. I stood still not to envoke a panic attack. She was yelling at him and finally, after about a minute, he went to her. The dog scares me to death now. I am afraid he will attack my children if he gets loose. They have a 5 year old little girl that they let play with this dog. As a Registered Nurse, working in surgery, I can not tell you how many times a child was bitten by the "family dog", usually a pit bull or cocker spaniel. I can hear it repeatedly, "He was always such a good dog." "It was unprovoked." "I never saw the dog act like that before." "It came out of no where." If you want a pit bull, I say fine but keep it leashed or pinned up. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
I just want to know why it is so many intact pits manage to get out of their yards. Is it a question of intelligence by some owners or is Houdini the perfect name for it? My dogs best friend gets out all the time and digs his way into my yard to hang out...everyone else can keep their dogs in.
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gsidhe Inner circle Michigan 1725 Posts |
I had a horse and a purebred grand canyon Donkey.
The horse never escaped one single time. The donkey- Crawled under the electric fence, so we lowered the electric fence. So he lay down on his side and shimmied under the electric fence, so we added a second wire 6" above the ground. He unlatched the gate with his teeth and walked out, so we padlocked the gate. So he waited until the horse was standing right next to the fence and then bit him in the bum. The horse bolted through the electric fence breaking it entirely. The horse went back into the corral. The donkey was walking up to the house, I am assuming he wanted an apple. Some animals are just smarter or more determined than others. Gwyd |
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nums Veteran user I have a life, or I would have more than 366 Posts |
After the pitulls and rotwaillers are gone, then the 3rd most dangorous reed will be in 1st place and should be destroyed as that breed causes more injuries than the other breeds. Where would it end.
I am not sure of the stats but would bet a dollar to a dime that more humans are killed by humans than by pitbulls so lets get rid of humans.At least the dogs do not have the ability to rationalize. I do not own a dog but to say one breed is worse than another is BUNK. I have always hated the quote used by lawmakers ..."if just one life is saved it is worth it" Well if you use that logic lets kill all the breeds that have taken at least one life as they have the "potential" to kill. NUMS |
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Mikael Eriksson Inner circle None of your business 1064 Posts |
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On 2008-02-21 23:02, montemagic wrote: Of course there are bad dogs, just like there are bad people. Why would every owner of a pit bull happen to be bad, and all the owners of non-violent dog races be good? I have been bitten twice by fight-dogs, and they were bad. I have never been bitten by any non-violent dog races. You can see in their appearance that they are aggressive and crazy. I really hate these kind of dogs since I got bitten. And they seem to attract non-responsible owners. The first dog that bit me, I told his owner "Your dog bit me..." Her response was "Why? You must have sneaked up on him from behind..." The bloody dog saw me come from 50 feet away, and just sat and waited without a sound and then jumped on me when I passed. I even went in a circle just in case... and still he attacked me. One of the worst nightmares when I worked as a pizza delivery guy was when I ringed the door bell, and a strong barking started. I learned what customers had dogs, and forced them to come outside to get the pizza. In my opinion, a dog's best characteristics are: 1. He doesn't bark. 2. He doesn't smell bad. 3. He doesn't bother you by sticking his fang-armed head up your crotch. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
I got my first decent dog bite the other day, it really does hurt.
Note: I was breaking up a dog fight when I slipped and my hand got in front of one dog so it was my fault. |
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montemagic Elite user San Diego, CA 471 Posts |
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On 2008-03-07 17:02, Mikael Eriksson wrote: Fight-dog = trained to fight = bad owner
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