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On 2008-02-26 13:54, paymerich wrote:
Warning incoming Goodwin's Law:
I have one thing to say :

Saying you can't do XCM in a restaurant is akin to the Nazi's forcing the Jews into the ghettos!!

There.. the thread is dead... NEXT TOPIC.


Ya, sure. Nice comparison.
If my post about trying to get my wife to give me a slow jack & a ball rub to change a muffler bearing won't interrupt these arguments, nothing will.
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Ok all postings of Danny Doyle is mean are way off topic, and have been discussed ad nausium. Also his inability to spel, or care about speling.

Funny how weak arguements turn to an attack on another. Magicfish contributed nothing, only attacked me LOL.

I LOVE the Hitler thing, and can post many threads which show this in action!
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On 2008-02-26 16:52, state wrote:
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On 2008-02-26 13:54, paymerich wrote:
Warning incoming Goodwin's Law:
I have one thing to say :

Saying you can't do XCM in a restaurant is akin to the Nazi's forcing the Jews into the ghettos!!

There.. the thread is dead... NEXT TOPIC.


Ya, sure. Nice comparison.
If my post about trying to get my wife to give me a slow jack & a ball rub to change a muffler bearing won't interrupt these arguments, nothing will.


I read your joke and laughed. I then went to my wife and told her I need a slow jack and a ball rub so I can replace my muffler bearing and she said "good... replace your discharge hose with a bigger one while you're at it" Smile
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Wow an add on joke that actually contributes to the funny!
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She said "good... replace your discharge hose with a bigger one while you're at it" Smile
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I'm Sorry.
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On 2008-02-26 17:10, state wrote:
I'm Sorry.


It's ok... I do a mean egg bag to compensate
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Uhhhhh ..........I don't think Nazis had computers. Smile
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Not good ones that is for sure!
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I read your joke and laughed. I then went to my wife and told her I need a slow jack and a ball rub so I can replace my muffler bearing and she said "good... replace your discharge hose with a bigger one while you're at it" Smile
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I just got back from a production meeting in LA (GREAT day btw in SoCal today). Truly made my week and is one of the reasons I love magic (and TV) so much... but then I wander on the Café to check PMs, etc and read this... AND OMG, I TOTALLY LOL. THANKS for that my friend!
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On 2008-02-25 12:36, Frank Starsini wrote:
The original post asked about this type of performance at a restaurant. Which I think most of us agree would not go over very well. I think the critiques were accurate.

BUT...

You're probably correct that it was not intended to be a performance. In that respect, we've taken it out of context in terms of what the kid was doing and it was a bit harsh. Not so good.


I might be blind or deaf, but I can not find anywhere on that video that claims he is a Magician (according to Mikka).

What if he drosp a card or the cards? Have you ever done XMC or know anything about it? There are graceful ways to pick up cards instead of just bending down and grabbing each one. That is something that is practiced with XCM, at some point you ARE going to drop some cards.

Would you want to watch magic for 45min tableside while you eat? I don't think there is anything I would want to watch or interact with while trying to eat my dinner.

His personality. In XCM you usually don't talk, you just perform.

I don't think he was "working" tables in this video.

People have different tastes, some don't even like to watch magic! I would let this young man perform for me, I would give him that chance. I wouldn't mind watching some card handling before dinner came.

Do you think this young man could perform some card magic with a little practice. His card handling would just add to the whole performance.
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On 2008-02-25 16:19, Magic_Steve wrote:
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Proffesional or no....as the customer I highly doubt the management would ask someone to apologize to the help and I'd bet a months pay they wouldn't have me escorted out on refusal. In this particular case, the management would surely agree that the customer is an *** and leave it at that.


Couldn't have said it any better myself. Unless the customer is threatening violence, then there is no way in hell the management is going to remove a paying customer from the restaurant because he was being an ass....NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. EVER.

:)


Well, get a little older and try to make a sexist to a waitress, and see how fast you get kicked out.

I doubt that you have ever been in a bar where they actually serve alcohol, but if you ever go, try to make that sexist remark a few times to a barmaid.....

And also try to get yourself really drunk in restaurant and start getting loud and innapropriate.....they will probably NEVER kick you out, because you didn't threatened violence....

I really wonder whre you base that b*llS**t on?
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On 2008-02-27 18:16, Simon Bakker wrote:

Well, get a little older and try to make a sexist to a waitress, and see how fast you get kicked out.

I doubt that you have ever been in a bar where they actually serve alcohol, but if you ever go, try to make that sexist remark a few times to a barmaid.....

And also try to get yourself really drunk in restaurant and start getting loud and innapropriate.....they will probably NEVER kick you out, because you didn't threatened violence....

I really wonder whre you base that b*llS**t on?


See, now you're getting out of context to what we were actually talking about. Maybe if you paid better attention before started posting, you might understand better.

They will never kick you out of a restaurant for being rude*. But ifyou're getting drunk and loud, that is another story. Then you're verging on the possibility of turning violent, which in the case they would most likely escort you off the grounds. But, being drunk and loud and obnoxious is a lot different than just being rude. WAAAAY different. And I'm basing this off of the many restaurants I've been to, a friend that owns a restaurant, and of course working in one.

Maybe next time it wouldn't kill you to read a little before jumping straight in and posting about something that you took out of context.

*And before you go off on me for rudeness this n that, I'm talking about just being an ass. Typical rudeness. Nothing that causes an issue with other guests, staff, etc. Of course, it's never good to be rude, but most servers are used to it.

Best.
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Uhhhhhh wooooooow!!!!! This thread went to Haidies in a handbag. Smile
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Well, dear Steve,

I've actually read the whole thread and that is exactly why I made that comment.

It was about being rude, and this is exactly what you said:

"Unless the customer is threatening violence, then there is no way in hell the management is going to remove a paying customer from the restaurant because he was being an ass....NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. EVER."

You have to choose your wordings more carefully or state your great definition of being an ass (being an ass = Typical rudeness according to you) the next time before you state facts like that.

You seem to think that being an ass is typical rudeness, I for one think that making sexist remarks and being drunk and obnoxious (without getting violent) makes you an ass.

And if you blame me for being rude, perhaps your right, but I do think you deserved it.


On-topic:
About the kid that did the card manipulations: I applaud him for his skill and patience, and for the fact that he's probably having fun.

About the question if this would be appropriate entertainment in a restaurant:
No, I don't think it will be good restaurant entertainment.
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On 2008-02-28 02:38, Simon Bakker wrote:
Well, dear Steve,

I've actually read the whole thread and that is exactly why I made that comment.

It was about being rude, and this is exactly what you said:

"Unless the customer is threatening violence, then there is no way in hell the management is going to remove a paying customer from the restaurant because he was being an ass....NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. EVER."

You have to choose your wordings more carefully or state your great definition of being an ass (being an ass = Typical rudeness according to you) the next time before you state facts like that.

You seem to think that being an ass is typical rudeness, I for one think that making sexist remarks and being drunk and obnoxious (without getting violent) makes you an ass.

And if you blame me for being rude, perhaps your right, but I do think you deserved it.


Then how can we say either one of us is right if we have two totally different definitions of the same word? Maybe I should have choose my wording differently, but please tell me how you think I deserved it?
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On 2008-02-28 02:38, Simon Bakker wrote:
Well, dear Steve,

I've actually read the whole thread and that is exactly why I made that comment.

It was about being rude, and this is exactly what you said:

"Unless the customer is threatening violence, then there is no way in hell the management is going to remove a paying customer from the restaurant because he was being an ass....NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. EVER."

You have to choose your wordings more carefully or state your great definition of being an ass (being an ass = Typical rudeness according to you) the next time before you state facts like that.

You seem to think that being an ass is typical rudeness, I for one think that making sexist remarks and being drunk and obnoxious (without getting violent) makes you an ass.

And if you blame me for being rude, perhaps your right, but I do think you deserved it.


On-topic:
About the kid that did the card manipulations: I applaud him for his skill and patience, and for the fact that he's probably having fun.

About the question if this would be appropriate entertainment in a restaurant:
No, I don't think it will be good restaurant entertainment.


I think what Steve failed to do was further clarify as he did specify the "getting violent". The thing is that (I believe) when specifying with "unless the customer is threatening violence" Steve was attempting to make a point that the customers actions would need to be in the extreme in whatever scenario may be for the management to kick them out. And he is correct. Come visit me here in CT, we'll go to 5 restaurants of your choosing and I'll make the Mast*rbate comment to the server at each restaurant. If we are kicked out ONCE, I'll give you a $100.00.

I have worked in most facet's of the restaurant industry - Including as an active worker in tablehopping. I have been in pubs, seedy bars, high class bars, bar and grills, and the like in 3/4 of the US in quite a few establishments in about 6-7 other countries. The story is the same. The customer wins unless there is a BIG Problem, a nasty comment like the one mentioned would not constitute a BIG Problem worthy of an escort out of the restaurant. That is the end of it.
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On 2008-02-28 11:28, MAKMagic wrote:
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On 2008-02-28 02:38, Simon Bakker wrote:
Well, dear Steve,

I've actually read the whole thread and that is exactly why I made that comment.

It was about being rude, and this is exactly what you said:

"Unless the customer is threatening violence, then there is no way in hell the management is going to remove a paying customer from the restaurant because he was being an ass....NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. EVER."

You have to choose your wordings more carefully or state your great definition of being an ass (being an ass = Typical rudeness according to you) the next time before you state facts like that.

You seem to think that being an ass is typical rudeness, I for one think that making sexist remarks and being drunk and obnoxious (without getting violent) makes you an ass.

And if you blame me for being rude, perhaps your right, but I do think you deserved it.


On-topic:
About the kid that did the card manipulations: I applaud him for his skill and patience, and for the fact that he's probably having fun.

About the question if this would be appropriate entertainment in a restaurant:
No, I don't think it will be good restaurant entertainment.


I think what Steve failed to do was further clarify as he did specify the "getting violent". The thing is that (I believe) when specifying with "unless the customer is threatening violence" Steve was attempting to make a point that the customers actions would need to be in the extreme in whatever scenario may be for the management to kick them out. And he is correct. Come visit me here in CT, we'll go to 5 restaurants of your choosing and I'll make the Mast*rbate comment to the server at each restaurant. If we are kicked out ONCE, I'll give you a $100.00.

I have worked in most facet's of the restaurant industry - Including as an active worker in tablehopping. I have been in pubs, seedy bars, high class bars, bar and grills, and the like in 3/4 of the US in quite a few establishments in about 6-7 other countries. The story is the same. The customer wins unless there is a BIG Problem, a nasty comment like the one mentioned would not constitute a BIG Problem worthy of an escort out of the restaurant. That is the end of it.


Sorry but the only person who can decide wether or not the comment was a BIG problem is the person the comment was directed at. They might not be offended but if they are then its a problem.

Larry has already said that he would not have used the mastu***** phrase. Why? Because it would not be appropriate. It could very easily offend the person it was used on. If a managers employee is visible shaken or hurt by what a customer says then absolutely the manager will have a talk with that customer. If the customer throws a fit they will be asked to leave. If they choose not to leave they will be escorted out by however many security personnel it takes. What there is absolutely no tolerance for is a man insulting a woman or someone making racial remarks. The mastur**** phrase could go either way. An adult would not use such a phrase because they know it could possibly offend someone. If I said something to a server by mistake that offended them I would appreciate them personally telling me or the manager letting me know so I could do the right thing and apologize.

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I hate to stir this up more but some of the managers are ruder than the bad patrons.
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On 2008-02-28 13:09, kammagic wrote:

Sorry but the only person who can decide wether or not the comment was a BIG problem is the person the comment was directed at. They might not be offended but if they are then its a problem.

Larry has already said that he would not have used the mastu***** phrase. Why? Because it would not be appropriate. It could very easily offend the person it was used on. If a managers employee is visible shaken or hurt by what a customer says then absolutely the manager will have a talk with that customer. If the customer throws a fit they will be asked to leave. If they choose not to leave they will be escorted out by however many security personnel it takes. What there is absolutely no tolerance for is a man insulting a woman or someone making racial remarks. The mastur**** phrase could go either way. An adult would not use such a phrase because they know it could possibly offend someone. If I said something to a server by mistake that offended them I would appreciate them personally telling me or the manager letting me know so I could do the right thing and apologize.

, Jonathan


One thing I find funny...how many of us work at restaurants that have security personnel?? Smile

From my experience, offending someone and causing a severe disruption that interferes with the other guests is a big difference. Hell, I've met people that have been offended by swearing. If I'm out dining and I let a few cuss words slip and offend the server, I don't even think that would warrant a talk with the manager. If I happen to wear a confederate flag shirt and offend a black server, I don't think that the restaurant would ask me to put something over it. Offending someone is different than acting out and possibly frightening other guests.

If I stand up and start cussing out the server, yes, that might get me removed. If I throw some glassware across the room, that might get me removed (and possible charges filed LOL)

See the difference? I'm sure many of us have offended someone at one time or another, but I hardly think that would get me removed or "talked to" by the manager. Especially in this overly-PC world where most people seem way to sensitive...

Best.
Steve

P.S. MAK's post hit the nail on the head EXACTLY. Thanks bro!! Smile
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Steve, I have never BEEN in a restaurant with security personel, let alone as many as needed to throw us out LOL.

If your restaurant has multiple security personel, maybe you need to rethink the venue a bit more LOL.
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