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On 2003-03-14 13:52, Paul wrote:
Before looking for any other version, it is best to study Curry's original handling description. It is in the new Curry book, "World's Beyond" along with a later variant of his that I consider the best, and again, doesn't have you dealing through the full deck.




Does anyone know if this book is sold in the UK, and if so by whom?
Magic Books by Post do not have it (though they do have the OOTW pamphlet)
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I like Paul Harris' version Galaxy from his "Art of Astonishment" books. Its relatively easy to do and the strong point over Curry's version is that the deck is riffle shuffled before the spectator deals.

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It’s hard to believe that “out of this world” has lasted so long. It was first published by Paul Curry in 1942 and was based on an even older idea! Within months of its publication there were several “improvements” published by other magicians. Many of those improvements have been “rediscovered” by today’s magicians and have been published as their own (and who is to say that they did not develop their handlings independently?).

The first real improvement (and the basis of many of the so-called impromptu versions) was published and sold by U.F.Grant (the king of keeping it simple magic!) in the late 1940’s. His was called “Nu Way Out Of This World”. He was amongst the first, if not the first, to do away with the set-up deck. His was an effect that could be performed anytime, anyplace, with a borrowed and shuffled pack. No advance preparation was necessary.

In fact, no names mentioned, but as you read some of the published routines that meet these criteria, you will find that they are simply Grant’s version with a new name and maybe a different ending.

One of the best presentations along the Grant (keep it simple and impromptu) line of thinking is Jon Tremaine’s. Jon presents it as part of a mentalist routine. He uses precognition as his premise and the spectator is made the star of the routine.

Jon blew me away when I watched one of his shows back in the 70’s with his version. I was truly entertained and I must admit, fooled, by his handling. It just didn’t look OOTW to me at the time. And that from a guy that had been doing Grant’s version for a decade by that time!
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Does anyone know if this book is sold in the UK, and if so by whom?
Magic Books by Post do not have it (though they do have the OOTW pamphlet)

I sold it when it first came out. Try Keith Bennett, he stocked it too.

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Regarding "Worlds Beyond" being available in the UK:

I got it from Tam Shepards in Glasgow. It was a while ago now, I don't know if they have any left or not. It is however conected with Davenports, you could try there if it's closer.

Does any one use the idea of putting the joker in the pocket? I find it a great and simple extra climax, it gets a laugh and lightens the mood after a pretty serious effect.
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Out of this world was one of the first routines I learned, and it remains one of the best I know. I used to routine it with Gemini Twins. I have since learned Lorayne's Out of this Universe (great for fooling magicians who already know how to do the orginal) And Harris' Galaxy. The version I use now, is a variation of the original that I recently came up with, (it has possibly been published already, but I haven't read it) In my version there's no stacking or counting.
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On 2003-03-15 11:17, ledzepp1918 wrote:
I like Paul Harris' version Galaxy from his "Art of Astonishment" books. Its relatively easy to do and the strong point over Curry's version is that the deck is riffle shuffled before the spectator deals.

Lake


There is a false riffle shuffle and cut designed specifically for the original OOTW.
See Card Control by Arthur Buckley p29.
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Does any one use the idea of putting the joker in the pocket?

I used to use it in the seventies, cute idea.

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"Galaxy" is the only version I'm aware of wherein the spectator can riffle shuffle the cards before beginning. I think it's the cleanest and most direct handling.
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I think using an unprepared deck, pulling the cards out yourself, and most importantly using only a third to half of the deck makes for the most convincing mindreading. It certainly doesn't have the pretty picture using a full deck has, but to me it's simpler, doesn't take forever, and appears much more like real mindreading.
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Che,
I saw a very simple version of Out of this world in "Worlds best card tricks" by Bob Longe.
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I have been doing an adaption of my own from Ammar's tape. In my version, I allow them to make every single decision from the begining to end. If you think about all of the possible twists that can happen, its easy to plug in the right moves and answers to get where you want to go.
(Example: first question: should we use red/black, number and court, or odd and even?)
Try it and I think you will see what I mean.
When the spec thinks he is deciding on the very structure of the test, it is stronger than you can even imagine.

For the grabby critic types, I don't let them hold the cards as in the video, I hold them face down so the effect doesn't get blown. I also use the subtle, I have full control of your mind, thanks for the memories type premise.
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The first real improvement (and the basis of many of the so-called impromptu versions) was published and sold by U.F.Grant (the king of keeping it simple magic!) in the late 1940’s. His was called “Nu Way Out Of This World”.


Having read Eugene Burger's opinion of NWOoTW in one of his books, I tried to buy it, but to no avail.

Could you tell me whether it's basically the same as the Ammar effect?

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Dave, I honestly don’t know Ammar’s handling of the effect. I have been using the Grant impromptu version for over three decades now. I have played with others but always come back to the Grant handling.

If the Ammar version has no set-up, no false shuffles (and even has the spectator shuffle the deck) and sometimes only uses a part of the deck rather than a full deck, then it probably is the Grant Nu Way Out of This World.
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[quote]On 2003-03-15 13:18, david walsh wrote:
Regarding "Worlds Beyond" being available in the UK:

I got it from Tam Shepards in Glasgow. It was a while ago now, I don't know if they have any left or not. It's conected with Davenports, you could try there if it's closer.

Paul, David

Thanks for your replies. Keith Bennett does not appear to carry "Worlds Beyond." I shall have a look in Davenports when I am next up in London.
I have been working on the assumption that this book stands up on its own merits, not just for OOTW.
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On 2003-03-18 07:24, Harry Murphy wrote:
If the Ammar version has no set-up, no false shuffles (and even has the spectator shuffle the deck) and sometimes only uses a part of the deck rather than a full deck, then it probably is the Grant Nu Way Out of This World.


Thanks Harry. It sounds as if the effects (and presumably the methods) are identical.

Dave
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