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Scott Compton Special user Hampton, VA 747 Posts |
Did Christopher Lyle disappear? You guys might have hurt his feelings.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
He opted out of the discussion a few days ago. Said he didn't have to be responsible to us, which is completely true.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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patrick flanagan Inner circle lisle, illinois 1045 Posts |
Or.....lol
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tboehnlein Inner circle ohio 1787 Posts |
Yes I think he took his DF & went home, hasn't seemed to visit the board since. Too bad he offers up some good advice hope he didn't get his feelings hurt.
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Shodan Special user Isle of Man 663 Posts |
This is easy enough to do without a DF card, straight from a regular deck. The method I've come up with certainly wouldn't have a magician scratching their head but it looks very similar to the DF method posted by Kam on this thread.
"You don't go up to strangers with a stick and come at their head...introduce yourself first, then come at them with a stick." - David Williamson
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I gotta say DF card or not, whatever method you want to use, I just think it is a lame as heck trick is all. Filler at best and more of a move monkey thing.
Kamm indeed came up with a pretty good solution and it looks smooth, his double lift is pretty good as well so he makes it flow smooth. BUT the whole idea (not Kamms or Lyles fault mind you) to me is just lame as can be.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Shodan Special user Isle of Man 663 Posts |
Hi Danny,
I know what you're saying - in fact I deleted a paragraph of my last post musing on the same issue. Neat little stunt, but where's the magic? I've been playing with some presentations that justify my handling and one idea that struck me is that the flick/throw of the card could be conveyed as a very dismissive gesture; "that's not your card? hmmm.." *flick* In fact, with enough acting you could probably get an audience to dismiss it as well and not notice the change until a few moments later when they look down to see the right card staring them in the face. However you go about presenting it though, its certainly not the most powerful bit of card magic you could do that's for sure.
"You don't go up to strangers with a stick and come at their head...introduce yourself first, then come at them with a stick." - David Williamson
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MAKMagic Special user I got banned for one of my 555 Posts |
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On 2008-03-05 19:10, Dannydoyle wrote: Not using a DF, I could see this useful in any number of routines as an Out (if accidently pulled the wrong or an extra card). I've had it where, unknowingly I placed 2 cards in a certain position as opposed to the intended single and utilized a few different color changes to "magically" correct the error. Erdnase - Shape Shifter - Betram (angle permitting) It could easily be thrown into a routine for an purposeful "magician screws up and corrects it" segmant if you are looking for an extra bump. That said - your correct in the sense it's not an effect unto itself. It's not strong enough. As a utility however it can be as useful as any color change IMHO.
.:Michael Kelley
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Shodan Special user Isle of Man 663 Posts |
Of course, the typical "excuse for a colour change" routine is the magician in trouble plot, which applies to this one as well as to any colour change. Timeless it aint, but such routines make great real world openers to engage the attention of an audience.
"You don't go up to strangers with a stick and come at their head...introduce yourself first, then come at them with a stick." - David Williamson
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MAKMagic Special user I got banned for one of my 555 Posts |
Meh - an opener? Gone are the days I did my erdnase change as an intro to my routines. I don't know, maybe an opener for an audience of who's audience you've already gained the attention of through introductions and have their pre-approval based on your personality. It's too dry by itself as an opener to an audience of adolescent age and above. For kids, non-<native language of your choice> speaking folks, from a distance for an eye or two whom you may have caught...yes it'd be fine.
.:Michael Kelley
On the Level, By the Square |
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erlandish Inner circle Vancouver, Canada 1254 Posts |
Well, the change itself would be a weak opener, but if you have three aces magically discovered first, and then an apparent miss, followed by the change of the fourth card into an ace, I think you've got a pretty effective routine to open with.
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Shodan Special user Isle of Man 663 Posts |
Magician in trouble/colour change openers:
Bill Malone "my favourite opener" James Brown "card opener" Just off the top of my head. Although there is no doubt that there are many, many ways to open a strolling/table hopping set, I don't think that its possible to pick a best or a worst. After all, the trick is just a vehicle for the performer to engage the audience. An opener needs to do that with the minimum amount of commitment from the audience, and magician in trouble certainly ticks that box. If you consider this to be "dry" then that says more about your enthusiasm for the trick than the trick itself, which is fair enough - performing something you don't find entertaining is hardly the way to entertain an audience!
"You don't go up to strangers with a stick and come at their head...introduce yourself first, then come at them with a stick." - David Williamson
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kammagic Inner circle 1304 Posts |
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On 2008-03-05 20:21, erlandish wrote: that's exactly how John Bannon uses the move and Frank Garcia. The move has been done for years by holding two cards back to back and snapping them onto a pile of face down cards. So snapping a card in this manner to flip it over and reveal a new card is nothing new. A DF makes it visually cleaner but you are still stuck with cleaning up a gimmick. I don't think layman are fooled by the fact that the card flips upside down when it is snapped. Its more the loud snap combined with the instant change that is surprising but not fooling. I would agree with Danny on this one. By itself it is a lame move. But but put together with several changes or revelations it may fit well into a routine. |
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JordanB Special user dallas, tx 626 Posts |
Not sure how great of an idea this is, but if you used a red/blue DF card and a double lift in a Red Hot Mama effect, you might have more interaction than just a color change. Not sure how good that would be, but it might be cool...plus you could "almost" end clean.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
The main problem I have with "filler" is that we are at a table with people for such a short time, they don't deserve to see "filler".
I am sure it could be turned into something if enough thought was put into it.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Rich B. Special user Philadelphia 632 Posts |
I think saying this move (change)is "filler" is stating the obvious. I don't think anyone in this entire thread said "check out my new routine". This clearly was shown as a move to be used in a routine. Any one of the 1000 card moves we know could be "filler" if you walked up to a table and said...watch this...and do the move...the response...so what.
As stated above, the magician in trouble plot could easily be used here with great success. Producing the 4 aces one at a time...each production more seemingly impossible...Ace #1...WOW!...Ace #2...that was great...Ace #3...I wonder how he is finding these Aces! Take a big guess what the spectator is thinking is going to happen next. You could produce that 4th ace as expected (maybe necessary in some routines)...or you can evoke a little surprise and emotion by "missing" the last ace...only to magically change the indifferent card to an Ace. You would probably get a better response with the latter. Rich B. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Oh yet another "magician in trouble" or '4 ace routine'.
Yea your right I change my position now.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Rich B. Special user Philadelphia 632 Posts |
Actually, it was just an example. I'm sure your creative enough to figure out another way to use a typical color change...and make it entertaining in an entire routine...as opposed to "filler"...whatever that means.
Glad I could help you out. Rich B. |
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Shodan Special user Isle of Man 663 Posts |
Variety is the spice of life!
"You don't go up to strangers with a stick and come at their head...introduce yourself first, then come at them with a stick." - David Williamson
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Well my main problem is the 'get ready' for this.
Using the DF card or not it is a pain in the but to worry about and for me personally, not worth the trouble it takes to ring it in and out. This is all I am saying. If you use DF cards or ANY gaffs, great for you. Only I don't use them for a couple reasons. First off I don't like having to keep track of them. Most importatnly I learned not to use them and would look like I was fumbling with them and make a fool of myself. Kamm on the other hand handled it pretty well in my estimation. I would not be that smooth. Also when I was in Florida, the cards suffered HUGE from humidity and the weather. We had an outdoor patio with misters on it and it was bad enough on just decks, let alone having to switch gaffs and such. So for me it is a pure "environmental" thing as to where I am and my preference not to use them. I do not say anyone else should follow this line of thinking, only that I had too. You can do miracles with gaffs handled right no doubt and should not overlook them as a means to an end. As for "filler", I am refering to things done just to be doing something, as opposed to better stuff. Not a tough concept really.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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