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On completing the cut we wish to get a jog or a break that is suitable to keep as we deal the cards. Which is the most suitable way for the card table do you think?
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Erdnase's method is good, thought I think a jog in the back is better, a very little pinky break could work too if you push the top card forward,

I hope I help,


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Base of the thumb flesh break.
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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A pinky break can work well if done correctly. I remember ackerman a while back showed how to hold the deal in a standard grip while holding a break. it looked great. they each may be favored over the other depending on what you want to accomplish.
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A pretty good pinky break handling is in "The Classic Magic of Larry Jennings" entitled "Immaculate Insertion".
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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You can also use a crimp so the packet can stay squared for as long as you deal and you locate it after the final round,


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Thanks. Our purpose is to indicate where a slug is to an ally, flashing the spot at the front for a moment, if you follow my meaning.
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A pinky break could work just fine then, or a bridge that's very subtle too,


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Deal the bevel.

This is more naturally suited for various location plays, but could be worked into a hop, I guess.

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As a croupier, a fixed dealer, I work with an ally and I cut, just like in a casino game. You see if I have slug it's my ally that must know ultimatly where the slug is not me because I am not playing. I can either signal where I estimate the slug starts or I can expose the break or jog to him. If say I have a card back jogged at the slug, then he can see the front of the deck and can see the thing as it looks like a pencil line across the cards at the front. If I hold a heel break he can not see that from the front but by relaxing the thunb pressure for a moment it becomes visible for that moment. So is there other ways of flashing the location of the slug to him like that, wihout making it so obviouse that others players might see it? What I am speaking about here I have never done but its just idea at the moment to me.
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As you're doing all the shuffle and cut by yourself, can't you just estimate how many cards you're cutting off (the best would be a right center cut, that's easy to see when the 2 half decks are side by side on the table), then you'll know how deep your slug is from the top. Then signaling your partner the moment the slug is right to be dealt.
I think it's a cleaner way to do rather than using any kind of break, jog, crimp...
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I agree with h2o,


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On 2008-03-05 02:18, tommy wrote:
As a croupier, a fixed dealer, I work with an ally and I cut, just like in a casino game. You see if I have slug it's my ally that must know ultimatly where the slug is not me because I am not playing. What I am speaking about here I have never done but its just idea at the moment to me.


What you are speaking of comes in different forms, can be very strong when played properly, and can go on and on if handled well by the cheats.

I assume you are speaking in terms of dealing poker in a club game. Am I correct?

I don't like the idea of flashing a break or a jog to a partner, and I don't much care for a "thin pencil line" on the front of the deck. To me, this puts a scam that can be milked and milked at an unnecessarily increased risk of detection, which is antithetical to this style of cheating.

It's not important to communicate to your partner where the slug starts, and in some cases (depending on how you work it) it's not important for your partner to know what the slug is comprised of. I can try to give you some pointers, perhaps some food for thought, but first I'd like to know what game you are working.

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I guess Tommy is speaking about an Hold'em game. And I guess in this situation, his partner memorizes the sequence of the discard (the slug), hence why he needs to "know ultimately where the slug is". Knowing the exact moment the slug starts during the deal, is quite a clever way to know some of the other players cards, or what's going to hit the board.
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Thanks.

Mostly: Dealers choice Omaha, that is the button chooses how many cards, 4 to 6. Of course he can't choose 6 if there are too many players at the table. The choice is made after the cut. Pot limit.

That is customary high stakes cash game played in England. Not the only game in town as Hold’em is played but that is usually played in lower stakes cash games and all size comps.


When I said this is something I have not done the "something" I refer to is the "flashing" of the location of the slug to the ally as described above.
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More or less that is what we have done, used estimation. Also just watching for the start of the slug. -Similar to the key card slug scams as used in Black Jack I guess but BJ is not my game though -.
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It's been a long while that I didn't play Omaha, mostly because of the crazy Hold'em rush, but my opinion is that's a much more difficult game to cheat compared to Hold'em or Stud (never played this last one though.)
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Knowing what the River card is going to be in Omaha is a far more powerful advantage than knowing it in Hold’en games though.
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On 2008-03-05 11:29, h2o wrote:
but my opinion is that's a much more difficult game to cheat compared to... Stud


Absolutely not.

5 card stud is a dream come true for a mechanic.

Actually, you don't even have to move at that game these days. The sweetest thing is to get a bunch of Hold'em dorks together and get them started on a 5 Stud game. If you play even the most basic 5 Stud strategy, you can skin them all alive and never have to make a single move.

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On 2008-03-05 10:53, tommy wrote:
When I said this is something I have not done the "something" I refer to is the "flashing" of the location of the slug to the ally as described above.


That's not something that I think is necessary, anyway. I wouldn't do it, and don't think it's a good idea to expose a potentially sweet thing to added risk.

I'm not going to give anything away, and I mean no offense by that. It's just not my style to violate the trust of others (how's that for irony?).

What I will tell you is that there is a way for you to accomplish what you are trying to, which is basically to have your partner(s) play off a memorized sequence of cards, without having to leave any kind of a "pencil-thin line" in the front of the deck or risk being caught with a break, etc., in your hand.

I'm sure you can work this out.

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