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I'd disagree with Tony on the Billy Wiz clip - I thought that was a good performance of RWR. It's not the kind of prop I use, so I'd be interested to hear Tony's thoughts on how to present it correctly.

I LOVE the four ring routine that I posted earlier - as has been mentioned, that was a family show rather than a kid's performance but I still think it would work at a children's show with very few changes.

As far as american entertainers go - I love David Ginn, Ken Scott and Danny Hustle among many others. Years ago I always thought that kids entertainers in America were far better than in England, mainly because I suppose we only saw the very best of them over here. With YouTube, I've come to realise that decent kids entertainers are few and far between on BOTH sides of the Atlantic! Customer expectations are low and it's easy to get work whether you are any good or not.


Smartini - do you have any links to the Arthur Atsma vids? I've seen the demo of Wacky Waccoon that comes with the prop, but that is a little flat due to having no audience present.

As far as the animatronic characters go - I think they are great!! And I love my remote drawing board!! I'm a magician - I like to play with toys!

However, I see the remote board as a little in-joke with the parents!! I don't think the fact that you can walk away from it means ANYTHING to the kids! They barely even comment on it - they just interact as they did with the standard board.
Parents LOVE it though - and that is why I'd consider having an animatronic puppet in the act. As I've said on the thread in question, I would use the hands-free puppet sparingly, preferring to give the best lines to a 'real' puppet that I can get more expression out of.
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Really and truly I would need to show you Kimmo and if you have one and wish to play around with it I will happily help in any way.

It needs careful thought, a developing and building routine, economy of moves keeping hands and arms well clear, audience control so you let them away and scoop them in like a sheepdog and it needs a climax, false call and finish.

It would then look an entirely different effect.

It seems to have on the video showing a possible flaw. The wolf and the artwork generally don't appear to reach. Now, in life that may not be quite so evident. Size is not of any great consequence. It's visibility which matters and I could show you as I have no doubt you could show me, many big British effects which you can see but don't reach. Conversely, several quite small table toppers do reach a long way. Clear as a bell.

I've looked on the website and unless I am not seeing straight, the wolf is an odd replica,a peculiar angle - not dead straight on which for clarity is essential - with only one eye showing and that appears to look like a dead eye. A circle without a pupil or iris.

Might be a problem in the reproduction and not evident in life, of course.

I would say the original Run Rabbit Run, small as it is by comparison, and with the rabbit facing front and with it's clearly visible two ears sticking up, that is far more visible and useful than the Wolf version. You can clearly see that from the back of a hall and follow all the action.

That's how it appears to me and as most people decide to buy from what is shown on the internet, then others too may have similar reservation based on the visuals.
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Tony James wrote:

"I wish I didn't. I haven't yet seen a any video of any children's entertainers your side of the pond who could hold a candle to even retired geriatrics in the UK."

Have not been on the Magic Café for a very long time, but just had the feeling of "being referred to".

Ah well.
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Don't any of you have lives? I don't always agree with Calamari, but he's right, the title of this thread is spot on. I thought you were all drunk while I was reading it.
It's like watching monkeys pick through their own crap and eating the undigested peanuts.
(which they're apt to do after they've gone insane in a zoo)
Why don't you ***s go and rehearse your lines or something?
BTW: I'm still using gags as old as Mother Rome. Children haven't changed.
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"BTW: I'm still using gags as old as Mother Rome. Children haven't changed."

I am glad you agree with me, Chris, that children haven't changed. Thank you also for getting back to topic. However, should it not be "Father" Rome as it was founded on seven hills by Romulus and Remus, who were both male I believe.
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Remember who suckled them....a native of a land adopted by Romulus and Remus....
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Some people should take a line from Samuel Clemens..."Better to let others think you ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." I'm not singling anyone out here Tony but do you have any good retired geriatric videos we Yanks could learn from?
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Chris, just by virtue of your chiming in, in the manner that you did... how do you like them peanuts?!
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Quote:
On 2008-03-08 18:13, chris mcbrien wrote:
Remember who suckled them


Wacky wolf?

I have to disagree with your earlier comments about the thread, Chris. If you ignore the mud slinging there are some great points made in between. On the other hand, you're quite right we'd probably all be better off doing some work...

George
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"Wacky wolf?"

That is funny, George, and it gets my creative juices flowing. I wonder if Chance could produce a whole Romulus and Remus effect, all built around the city of Rome. The characters could be popping out all over the place...........you could even produce an effigy of Julius Caesar and the Pope. It could be educational, and historical, with a spiritual angle to it to keep the Gospel folks happy. What do you think? Then Axtell could animate the whole thing!!
"Yes, Virginia, there really are people named Riddle...isn't that AMAZING! And to think of all the royalties I'm missing out on! SCANDALOUS!"

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I like em' fine, John, I like 'em fine!
I've been in this zoo as long as any of you!
;)

Tom, I think you're on to something. "Wacky Wepublic"? Julius pops out of the box and at the end is subjected to a tragic "smash and stab" for dolls.

John,
I'm in a weird mood today, I'm grateful to Almighty God to have just finished 23 school programs in two weeks, and 2 corporate events. I love what I do, and I'm exhausted. I'm thinking I should satiate myself with "Monty Python's Holy Grail" and come back when I'm in better order...
As for the monkey analogy, they're but one of the colorful phrases learned from a former zoo trainer I know....
(you should here the one about the hippo with the runs....)
Great, now I'm getting off topic....
:)
Samuel Clemens is still alive....he has taken over George.
This is one of those cases if we were sitting around the table at a diner and I said the above you'd know by my face that I'm "tongue in cheek" today.
There have been good points...hence the peanuts.
I like 'em fine, John, I like 'em fine!!!
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Why do we have to create false dichotomies? Why can't we use some older tricks and some newer ones (depending on our personalities/patter/comfort)? I have wondered about the "staying power" of some of the new stuff too, but some of the old stuff is horrid (what are those odd monkey-like animals on the standard "J-P Box" - and why is it called that anyway - sounds racist to me). I think that part of the virtue of magic is dealing with contemporarly items which are part of children's lives, which means blocks and butterflies, but also, increasingly ipods and computers. Some of the older classics, like linking rings and 20th Century Silks, are simply great stuff and turn ordinary items into mysteries. It may be me, but I don't get anything out of rice bowls, and some of those other 19th century parlour items which looked out of place and gimmicked. I'm thrilled people are coming up with cell phone tricks and RC mentalism.
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What is RC mentalism?
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Radio Controlled, I'm sure. Things like the new Remote Color Vision Box and items that work via wireless signals.

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Oh my goodness! I've just gone back and read the previous posts where Steve and ClownBoy wished I would set fire to myself!!! Steve has gone up in my estimation!

Although announcing his IQ and using his wife to support his argument made him look like a right banana so he's gone back down. Unless he was attempting humor. In which case he goes back up. But I don't think he was, so he's back down again.

Clownboy however has potential and as soon as he fixes his signature, he'll be just fine.

I couldn't be bothered to read the teeny writing of the Great Smartini's reply. I bet it wasn't terribly Smartini though.

I tell you one thing... I am delighted with the good moderators of the Magic Café. I'm amazed nothing has been censored or deleted so far - that's excellent. I'm sure that expressing horrific fantasies of seeing fellow Café members set fire to themselves would previously have been frowned upon. But thankfully they don't share Smartini's thin skin and "hiding behind a computer" theory.

But back to the subject...

I think Nicholas J. Johnson got it spot on. Everyone seems to be agreeing!

I will say this, if you find yourself buying lots of new props looking for the big trick that will improve your show, my humble opinion is that you are wasting your money.
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James,

I guess I have a thin skin like you have a smart mouth. Of course I apologize for the small print of my previous post which of course you couldn't "reed" or come back with anything resembling intelligent discourse. You'd make a great politician though as they don't have the courage to respond to the actual issues as well. Funny I thought that everything in Texas was supersized well probably except for what...oh the IQs. That would explain George W. now wouldn't it. Nice to have you back James we've missed your insight.

jeff

ps. I think British superiority ended when all of its colonies decided that they were better off without them.
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"I will say this, if you find yourself buying lots of new props looking for the big trick that will improve your show, my humble opinion is that you are wasting your money."

James...........you are playing with fire by saying that to many on this 'ere forum!
"Yes, Virginia, there really are people named Riddle...isn't that AMAZING! And to think of all the royalties I'm missing out on! SCANDALOUS!"

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Have you not yet figured out James is way ok with fire? In fact he was the one that convinced me to put fire in my kid shows. When it comes to kids...fire will always fascinate them...farts will always be funny. It's when they learn to put the two together that things get dangerous!
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Shhh... you are giving away my closer.
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LOL waaay too much visual there! Oh man...I must be getting over tired..I'm still laughing.
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