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James Munton
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Smartini,

I am sorry if your feelings were hurt by my use of humor. I don't intend to hurt anyone's feelings, but occasionally I do come up against someone who is incredibly sensitive and I always feel sad when that happens. Honestly.

I do not "hide behind my computer." My picture and real name are here for all to see, as are my websites and full contact information. I am exactly this way in person - if anything I am funnier. As opposed to your good self who provides neither photo, real name, nor website, nor contact info. If anyone is hiding it is you!

The fact that you are an "educator (who observes children for a living)" - makes you neither more right nor more wrong. I did consider your opinion expressed in your earlier post which had some nonsense to do with gays and single parents and I decided it was complete twaddle.

Best,
James
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"Come to England before you die."

You'd be astonished. Truly. So many really good children's entertainers who know just how to perform entertainingly. It's not given to everyone so that's why kind dealers provide you with tricks entitled 'No Skill Required' - won't make you into a great entertainer but you'll get away with it.

The really good can wring fun and joy and laughter and amazement out of props that most others wouldn't know what to do with.

Because in the end, it's down to the entertainer, not the props. And the children laugh at the same things generation after generation after generation.

Truly. You don't have to observe them. They're sat there, chortling their little cotton socks off, over and over and over again.

That's the difference. But then, this is England.
Tony James

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James Munton
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Great points, Tony, except there are a few good magicians that get it over here as well!
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Up until September last year, my act featured many of the most 'up-to date' props on the market. I was carrying round a Wacky Waccoon, A Wolf Funhouse, Wacky Water wheel, Remote Drawing Board, Axtell off the Meter, A duck bucket and a Rabbit Vanish Supreme, amongst others. My set-up resembled a dealer stand!
I got good reactions from the show, but what I wanted to do for this year was adopt a 'back to basics' approach.

I now work from 2 small, plain, black trunks. My act consists of classics such as 20th century silks, linking rings, jumping knot, sponge balls and of course, ventriloquism. The bunny has been given the boot.

If anything, the reactions have been even better this year!!

It's all down to the entertainer, NOT the props.

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Kimmo,
I just had a vision of you in your trunks entertaining kids. No wonder you get a reaction LOL Your right it's the entertainer that makes the show and you can do a great show with smaller items. It's the prentation that counts. I just think that to the eye of the booker it's nice when they see something for there money ie something magical looking!
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I'm old, my props are old. I do the crystal silk cylinder (Silly Billy's stoplight trick), a water vanish with slush powder, 20th cent silks with a story, die box, a milk through head routine, card in balloon, and my closer is a chair suspension. Everyone really enjoys the show, or they lie.

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I do a change bag routine and I know that many magicians do one as well but I could care less because I know my routine is completely different than anyone else's.

If magician's would stop just checking out YouTube video's and copying DVD routines word for word they would never have to worry about keeping up with the latest and greatest.

What you should be thinking if you do "run rabbit run" or any other routine like that is... "i hope the kids have seen this before because they will see how much better and funnier this trick CAN be when done by a pro."

when your routines get to that point you'll be kicking some serious ***.
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Hi Frank,
I have to say that every time I see your picture it reminds me of Kurt Russell, or are you really him undercover?
Nothing to do with the above topic. Sorry!

I think it's important to put your own style on your tricks no matter what trick you are doing, old or new it then makes it your own. I sometimes use a dove pan. It's an classic prop however it looks good and the routine goes down really well! But I still use a lot of colorful trick with a fresh look. Nothing looking old and tatty!
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"Great points, Tony, except there are a few good magicians that get it over here as well!"

Who? You and Jolly Roger and Simon Lovell? You are all British!
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James Munton
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Ha! You may be onto something.
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This is just more nonsense, a good performer will entertain an audience (kids born today 100 years ago or 100 years from now) with what ever he uses... old, new, self working, knuckle busting what ever...
so what are you trying to say Tom, forget about anything new just do the Rings, and all the old classics no need to try and do anything different cause the old stuff still works (hogwash) we should all do what makes us and most importantly our audiences happy, and if that is all the old classics then great, if it is the latest gizzmo thingamabob then great. if this post was meant to help inspire better magical performances then, IMHO, try to improve your performance of what ever you plan to present (it's not so much what you do, although that is important also, but how you do it)
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Rich
I must respectfully disagree with you, magicians are inventing, new improved, better, biger magic tricks all the time, and along with new improved marketing techniques, soon talent will be totally unnecessary.
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On 2008-03-06 18:27, Al Angello wrote:
...along with new improved marketing techniques, soon talent will be totally unnecessary.


You mean it's not already? Shucks, I better start practicing again. Smile

Scott
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On 2008-03-06 15:45, James Munton wrote:
Smartini,

I am sorry if your feelings were hurt by my use of humor. I don't intend to hurt anyone's feelings, but occasionally I do come up against someone who is incredibly sensitive and I always feel sad when that happens. Honestly.

I do not "hide behind my computer." My picture and real name are here for all to see, as are my websites and full contact information. I am exactly this way in person - if anything I am funnier. As opposed to your good self who provides neither photo, real name, nor website, nor contact info. If anyone is hiding it is you!

The fact that you are an "educator (who observes children for a living)" - wow that sounds creepy - makes you neither more right nor more wrong. I did consider your opinion expressed in your earlier post which had some nonsense to do with gays and single parents and I decided it was complete twaddle.

Best,
James


What a load of self-serving garbage. For someone who feels "sorry" for me you sure have a strange way of putting it. To clarify, I do observe children because that's my job. I try to find out who the kids in my class are so that I can try and meet their educational needs. You say that I'm "sensitive" and then go on to say that "I'm creepy" and these are the comments of someone who is hiding behind his computer because I can tell you for a fact that you wouldn't be saying this to my face. You say what I have to say is "twaddle" and yet offer absolutely nothing to back your claim. I come to the Café to discuss things like an adult and do appreciate those who are able to discuss things and agree to disagree. You seem to come here to make some point about what exactly? I've read your posts on this thread and I don't see much in the way of intellectual offerings. Rather I see a bunch of sarcasm, veiled judgements and not much else.

I stand behind my comments because this is the experience that I've had as an educator, through my professional training having received a Masters degree in education and as a magician of over thirty years. I don't say this to boast but instead to point out that I do seem to have some expertise in interacting with children. I would be curious to hear where your experience comes from. Let us know and perhaps we might be able to objectively judge your arguments on this topic. As for not knowing who I am...well I've been at the Café for a little while (1200 + posts) and have done many many transactions here at the Café as both a buyer and a seller. So if I prefer to not have my name or contact info out there for everyone to read that means I'm hiding behind my computer? Am I to presume that you looked up my personal information? That sounds rather odd don't you think? Were you planning on sending me a card?
James Munton
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I do observe children because that's my job. I try to find out who the kids in my class are...

Don't they give you a list of names?

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I've read your posts on this thread and I don't see much in the way of intellectual offerings.

As opposed to your nonsense about gays and single parents...and shock, horror... second marriages!

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I can tell you for a fact that you wouldn't be saying this to my face.

I really would tell this to your face or on the phone or by email! Give me a call - I don't hide behind a computer.

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I would be curious to hear where your experience comes from.

Umm, from actually performing for kids as opposed to "observing them."

Look Smartini, I really don't care if you share your info or not. It's just that you accused me of hiding behind a computer which is odd because my face, real name, and contact info is clear for all to see and you are the faceless, nameless poster.

I don't really want to argue with you Smartini, but I will respond to criticisms you throw my way.

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I think what stirred the pudding was that Tom Riddle started the topic with the insinuation that those who seek out New and Latest products hide behind them.
This is ridiculous!
That is like saying that if you Don't wear a Tux and Top Hat your not a true Magician. Its all about Style and personality. I highly encourage any magician to stick with what works for them. I like to create routines with both but I do not hide behind them. I am first an Entertainer and second a Magician.
Its just unacceptable to slam those who like to collect or who like to try newer props by saying they hide behind them.

B

Posted: Mar 6, 2008 7:37pm
Jeff, I agree. James would say it to your face~
He is rude and obnoxious to everyone he comes in contact with. HAHA!

Brad
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James Munton
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Brad,

I think your signature should say: "Time's fun when you're having flies."
I hope you are not also an educator.

James
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"I think what stirred the pudding was that Tom Riddle started the topic with the insinuation that those who seek out New and Latest products hide behind them.
This is ridiculous!"

Where did I insinuate that Brad? I cannot find it anywhere in my post.
By the way, you don't stir pudding.......it damages the consistancy.

What, by the way, is Ridiculous? Please clarify. I think you must have stolen that word from my friend JR!
"Yes, Virginia, there really are people named Riddle...isn't that AMAZING! And to think of all the royalties I'm missing out on! SCANDALOUS!"

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Al Angello
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Kimmo just won a trophy for the greatest kids entertainer in England, and he seems to think that the old props with a modern entertainer works the best, so who am I to argue with the champ. I also like his marketing approch too it is simply to be the best you can be, pass out your business cards, and your phone will ring.
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Tom Riddle
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"Kimmo just won a trophy for the greatest kids entertainer in England"

Actually, Al, I believe Kimmo won the WORLD championship children's entertainer award. There is a big difference, as England is only a small part of the world. I learnt that in history. The six top children's entertainers in the world were chosen to compete, and he won. We should indeed listen to the guv'nor!
"Yes, Virginia, there really are people named Riddle...isn't that AMAZING! And to think of all the royalties I'm missing out on! SCANDALOUS!"

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