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niva
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Hi.

I went through some thread on here, but couldn't find the answers for some of my questions.

First of all is this effect only available as Lizzie's Hands, Dear Boss (discontinued) and Blood Evidence?

I read about the Goldenrod solution. Does Goldenrod paper only come in yellow/orange? I would prefer a white paper or at least an old looking one.

And finally do all these methods require you to wet your hand to achieve the handprint?

Thanks in advance.
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Ivan
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I can only speak to the goldenrod paper method.
Yes, it only comes in the somehwat deep golden yellow. I know that with vinegar you can get it to go more pale yellow, but I do not know if it can still then be acted upon to turn red, have not tried that yet. Never had a need to explain the paper.
With the goldenrod paper, the hand does not need to be soggy wet, simply dampened with the solution. I use a either a sponge that has been squeezed out and stored inside a plastic bag, or for smaller needs, a dampened cotton ball kept inside a 35mm film can.
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Yes thanks a lot.

Anything else people?
Yours,

Ivan
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Niva,I needed this effect on a parchment looking paper so I aged the goldenrod with minwax stain and the effect still worked just fine.I don't have the stain at
the moment but I think its called golden oak.
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Yes, it has to be golden goldenrod paper (it's so named for it's very color, naturally) because it's a property of the actual dye used to color that particular shade that reacts with alkalines, thus giving the desired effect.

To get a bright blood red, you need a liquid alkaline, such as ammonia, or a baking soda saturated solution, something along those lines, to come in contact with the paper.

I think staining it sounds like good idea, it should make look like a truly aged old parchment, if used sparingly.


Interesting, I never tried vinegar, Kay. Being an acid, I guess it has the "opposite" effect, but it could be used judiciously to help color (marbleize) and age the paper to look more like parchment, as you said. Brilliant!
Maybe a combo of staining and vinegar even, so long as that still leaves enough original dye to interact with the alkaline.
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There is phenolphthalein.
It's a very inexpensive chemical. I bought a bottle for like $2.

It is insoluble in water.

Take this stuff and put it on a piece of paper and let it dry.

Then take water and mix in a small amount of amonia, in a bottle.

If you get your hand wet with the water/amonia solution and touch it to the paper, it will turn red and make a hand print.
It will go away when the water evaporates and you can reuse the paper over and over.

You can also draw a picture with the phenolphthalein, on paper, and it will be invisible.
Just with the fumes of the amonia it will appear, then vanish.

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Oh that's cool.

But it looks like with every method you need to get your hands wet.

Anything out there that reacts to the heat from the hand?
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Ivan
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Randi...
Where did you find Phenol? I have looked all over for it (For the fume effect you described)
I have only found it on line, but if there is a type of shop that sells it, that would be great!
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It was online.
I don't know of any shop that sells it.
It's not used for medicine any more.

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On 2008-03-14 13:40, niva wrote:
Oh that's cool.

But it looks like with every method you need to get your hands wet.

Anything out there that reacts to the heat from the hand?


I have come up with a method using a book and a "stamp",which allows you to keep your hand dry.

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You might find phenol in a chemistry set, Gwyd, but that's about it, probably. Smile

Niva, there is such a thing as "thermographic" paper, but I don't know if it'd do the same thing.
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That's expensive.
You can find the stuff much cheaper.
Here is a 500ml bottle for $6.80.
http://www.sargentwelch.com/product.asp?pn=WLC95114-06_EA

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I forgot to qualify my earlier statement, you might find it in a chemistry set, if you were looking for it locally only, not online.
Big difference. Thank (insert favorite Diety here*) for the Internet!


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On 2008-03-14 13:20, randirain wrote:

You can also draw a picture with the phenolphthalein, on paper, and it will be invisible.
Just with the fumes of the amonia it will appear, then vanish.


Thank you.

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Excuse my ignorance in these matters but wouldn't ammonia smell a bit in a close-up or semi close-up situation?
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Would likje to add my 2 paisa.
The ammonia..should be concentrated..known as liqor ammonia if you want the fumes.Keeping the solution for some time makes it weaker.So keep it selaed in a bottle and use a little after pouring it into another container.Yes ammonia will smell in a close up situation.Anybody in the beauty/makeup industry would recognise the smell immediately.

Phenolphtalein is available in any school chemistry lab.Beg/borrow/steal your way!
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I have found you can take regular amonia, bought at the store for cleaning, and it works.
You do have to kind of squirt the fumes onto it though.

And yes this will smell.

To do the bloody hand print, you only need a few drops in water to make it work.
There isn't enough of it to smell.

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Phenolpthalein is still used in medicine, it is also, alas, listed as a precursor for making stuff that little twerps with nothing better to do than kill braincells find nessecary. This means that it is now very very hard to obtain. At least in the US.
I tend to go wtih thegoldenrod, as there is no odor to give away with the bicarbonate like you would get with the ammonia.
LIke I said, Vinegar will yellow the goldenrod very nicely, I just have not gotten out he tray of junk in the kitchen to make sure the bicarb will still make it red after the vinegar treatment.
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If you do try it out tell us what happens please.
Yours,

Ivan
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