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Did you know women and preachers won't go to Heaven? In Revelation, it says, "There was silence in heaven for half an hour." Ever meet a women or preacher who could be silent for that long?
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Uh Oh, he's rolling now!

I knew it was a mistake to encourage you Scott....... Smile

Love it!

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What's the difference between a deacon and a pastor?

The pastor gets PAID for being good; the deacon is good for nothing!
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Another source of cards for church are childrens decks of ABC, Zoo, Old Maid or Go Fish cards. Unfortunately most of these are not well finished for card work, but they are large and readily recognizable. I created a routine using Go Fish cards that I call "Fraidy Fish Gets Framed". It's a chosen card to picture frame effect. It's geared toward children. It is not a "Gospel effect" although is has plenty of room for adaptation for that purpose.

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I can see where Cards in church would cause some folks to cringe, however as long as I am not gambling, I see no problem with this. I have even done card tricks for my 8th grade Sunday school class and they love it.

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Scott, you are hilarious . . . Smile Smile
I saw some Cheetos cards in Wal-Mart the other day . .. I wonder if little fun symbols on it like that - or maybe the old Batman cards they used to sell, that kind of thing, would soften the "gambling" image of the cards? I've never had a problem with anyone but my grandpa on my Dad's side thinking magic was evil, though. And he's a Freemason! Go figure . . .
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I have one card effect I have translated to use in churches by taking out a playing card box and saying "A lot of people don't like these to be used in church because they believe cards are instrument's of the devil and have been used to enslave people and keep them in bondage"

Then, I say, "Particularly this kind of card" as I open up the box and dump into my hand a "deck" of plastic credit cards of different color and design. The effect I do can be adapted quite nicely to this "deck" of cards.

Scott,

Do you know the difference between prayers offered up in churches and prayers offered up in casinos?

The ones offered up in casinos are in earnest.
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Jews don't recognize Jesus as the Messiah,

Protestants don't recognize the Pope as the leader of the church,

Baptists pretend not to recognize each other at the Liquor Store!
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I've always heard that the difference between Baptists and Methodists was that Methodists will wave to each other at the liquor store. Smile

As for playing cards in church, I am a Southern Baptist deacon and the pianist in my church. And I usually have a deck of cards in my inside suit pocket when I'm at the piano. There is a time and place for everything, and I have used cards in church performances, both formal and informal, for years with no fallout. These shows have been for many denominations, including the Grace Brethren in Canada.

Just my experience...
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Which led Joe's Pastor to say, "Oh, brother, now I have to 'deal' with that pianist!"

Ah, Joe, you're such a card! I wouldn't mess with you with a red hot Poker--so let's Bridge the gap between our Hearts, and have magical fun in Spades--we're both mature adults over 21!
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As one Christian to another, I can only say...

Go fish.
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Good stuff and even better humor posted here! I love the credit cards in a playing card box idea, thanks John for sharing and I hope you don't mind if I steal that and use it sometime!
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I just wanted to add something about the Soldier's Prayer Book. I adapted it so that I use every card in the deck, and I tell the story in a format similar to Bill Malone's Sam the Bellhop, complete with false shuffles and cuts. I think it adds to the 'magic' side of the trick, although the story itself is excellent. If anyone wants to know my routine, PM me and I'll be happy to share it with you. Or, be creative and come up with your own! -Jeff
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I've never been given the third degree for busting out playing cards in my church, and it's nice to see that my pastors are encouraging me to use my gift. I've been to many churches for special events, rallies, and what not and I can sort of tell which churches would be cool with the prospect of cards, and which churches wouldn't. Of course, this is all by assumption, but you can kind of catch a vibe. I'm thinking denomination and style of worship definitely plays a large role in this. And for the most part, I don't know many churches which condemn the use of cards... Where are ya'll from!?
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I think I remember reading in Tarbell, how he was about to perform at a church, but he was warned that the pastor was dead set against any cards.

In Tarbell's program, he asked the pastor if he had a deck of cards he could borrow. The pastor said he most assuredly had no cards. Tarbell asked him to check his jacket pocket, whereupon the minister discovered a deck of cards (that Tarbell had deviously planted earlier)! Reaction was great, and the show was a success.
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The important thing is the message, not the cards. So if there is a possibility that the cards could interfere with the message, don't use them. The worst thing that can happen is the message is lost over the emotion generated by the use of cards. You will probably have better luck using them at less conservative churches and/or youth groups, but check with the church first.

Duane Laflin's book "Greater Gospel Magic"
http://www.laflinmagic.com
talks about this and other issues the gospel magician deals with.
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Interesting discussion (I know, I am arriving late). I grew up with a very strict background. While many in the church I grew up in probably thought of cards as evil, they never seemed so to me. My grandmother taught us to play card games and that was my association with cards--without gambling.

I can see gambling demonstrations being out of place in a church setting, but card effects with story applications should be okay in most places. These things can be approached tactfully, so as to hopefully minimize offense, but some people are determined to be offended regardless (since they are morally superior--never mind the skeleton's in their closets).

Plenty of church folks question my choice in music, my tattoo and my pierced ear--all of which have scriptual significance. If they can get past those things to the point of allowing me to present magic for them, I doubt they'd be overly concerned if I use a deck of cards Smile

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I have performed for church groups for 5 years now I have never thought of doing a "card trick". But here's why:

Anytime you have a fair sized group, card tricks can become hard to follow, if you have children in the group, it can be over their head. There is SO much more out there to do than cards. I think magicians over-use cards. My church once brought in a magician for the kids and he did "Insurance Policy". I shake my head to myself, I don't get it.

Maybe in a one on one situation I can see doing one or two card items, but above that I just can see pulling the Bicycles out in a church to do a trick. There's 5 million other things to do.... Smile
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I read a few of the replies on the first page of this thread had real problems with them and felt the need to reply. Being very new to The Magic Café I feel funny about speaking out now, but being an old Christian I decided to put my "2 cents worth" in. Taking in consideration that It is worth every Penny you paid for it, (not even 2 cents) please read on.

Using playing cards

#1. I don't think that because someone
disagrees with your ideas, we should be name calling. Whether it is: "Weaker Brother" or
"poor misguided card player". (made that one up myself) We are to be the light of the world, and we cannot do that in this manner.
(There are lots of people watching us to see how Christians act.)

#2. The people who believe either way, will not usually have their minds changed, in a forum situation such as this.

I love "The Good News" and this forum, I have learned so much in here.

Arguments don't become us.

The only way to handle the problem is on an
individual basis. If "using cards offends someone", it is wrong in that situation.
Be polite and ask in advance. If "people who think using cards is wrong" offends you (even from a new users view this is obvious), make "discreet" inquiries in
advance. (It can be done) Save everyone, yourself included the heartbreak, and politely bow out if invited to perform.

This advice coming from a retired GI who for a time tried to hate everyone equally. (makes it easier if you have to kill them)

Who for awhile lost his way, but got back on the right path, and now tries only to hate sin.

Thanks
Steve
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P.S. Sorry, didn't mean to sound pious OR preachy.
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