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I´m not a ¨Street Magician¨, and there´s not much of a point to this thread other than to mention that lately, I have noticed ¨Street¨Magicians keep trying to go for the biggest, flashiest demonstrations you can do outside. I just wanted to point out that the beauty of David Blaine´s magic (he started this whole thing), in my opinion, was the smallness of his demostrations, the intimacy they created, and the contrast to the big reactions that resulted from them.

... I don´t know.

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Excellent observation Alex. One of the things I have been studing lately is the presenation of effects in which you concetrate on the connection between you and the audince to make a magical presentation. Currently there is some excellent work on this subject.
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On 2008-03-14 13:42, Alex Linian wrote:
I´m not a ¨Street Magician¨, and there´s not much of a point to this thread other than to mention that lately, I have noticed ¨Street¨Magicians keep trying to go for the biggest, flashiest demonstrations you can do outside. I just wanted to point out that the beauty of David Blaine´s magic (he started this whole thing), in my opinion, was the smallness of his demostrations, the intimacy they created, and the contrast to the big reactions that resulted from them.

... I don´t know.

Alex linian


Only thing is most of those reactions were the best ones. Because they filmed it, they could go back later and edit until their hearts content, and the mediocre reactions ended up on the cutting room floor.

Just an observation, for what it's worth.
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It is called close up magic and it has been done for centuries. The reactions are amplified by the presence of camera crews and the potential of being on TV. Cameras are amazing at getting people to do things, look at Girls Gone Wild, if you just walked up and said "okay drunk girls, I'd like you to come to my hotel room and put on a lil' lesbian show for me" you'll likely get the police called, but get a camera crew and tell them they will be stars then it is game on. Look at what idiotic stuff people put up on youtube and their myspace sites, crap that normal rational people would be embarrassed of some of you intentionally put it out there because of some twisted craving for attention.

Doug is correct in that they edit things to make them look right and the reations may actually be to nothing but requested reactions so they can put it in later (Penn and Teller did an example of this on a TV show how they could get people to do reactions to nothing). The good thing is people who watched the Blaine shows, the young ones at least, now think that is how they are suppose to respond to magic and you may get some that react over the top but it is more so to get attention on themselves rather than to the magic.

Sorry fellas, but dat da way it be.
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You really can't trust reaction shots on television, no matter who is doing it. I remember the filming of David Copperfield's show where he was in a straitjacket, dangling from a burning rope over spikes. The reaction shots were done first, and the rest was stitched together after a dozen or so retakes, some of them after the audience left. You could still see him being hoisted back into place (outdoors, at the back lot behind Caesar's Palace) as people were in their cars waiting for the traffic to clear so they could go home.
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On 2008-03-16 14:01, MagicSanta wrote:
It is called close up magic and it has been done for centuries. The reactions are amplified by the presence of camera crews and the potential of being on TV. Cameras are amazing at getting people to do things, look at Girls Gone Wild, if you just walked up and said "okay drunk girls, I'd like you to come to my hotel room and put on a lil' lesbian show for me" you'll likely get the police called, but get a camera crew and tell them they will be stars then it is game on. Look at what idiotic stuff people put up on youtube and their myspace sites, crap that normal rational people would be embarrassed of some of you intentionally put it out there because of some twisted craving for attention.

Doug is correct in that they edit things to make them look right and the reations may actually be to nothing but requested reactions so they can put it in later (Penn and Teller did an example of this on a TV show how they could get people to do reactions to nothing). The good thing is people who watched the Blaine shows, the young ones at least, now think that is how they are suppose to respond to magic and you may get some that react over the top but it is more so to get attention on themselves rather than to the magic.

Sorry fellas, but dat da way it be.


That's the sad part. Most of us don't have the advantage of a film crew and cameras. This phenomenon of all these "great reactions" has blown "street magic" up to be something it is not. Guys who chase after this dream are chasing after a mirage.
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So, is this cheating? Is it a form of trick photography? I’ve always thought it was, but maybe I’m jealous because I don’t have the resources to do this myself. I know one thing, I’m get tired of hearing people say, “You know, David Blaine can really float, its no trick. I’ve seen it on TV!”
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That levitation was complete camera trick but whatcha gonna do? I don't want to badmouth a magician to the public so I just bite my lip and move on.
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And superman can fly! The reality is that when a production crew rolls onsite there is Mega money at stake. It has to be good on tv or it will never be viewed. Go to any game show, any interview show or any "Live" TV show and they will spend time getting the audience to react first. This way it can be filmed and stored. Notice the woman sitting there laughing the exact same way four different times? it is not a coincedence. Is this cheating No! it is good television. The guys who can get those same reactions wthout the benfit of the camers now that's a different story. I recently went to a lecture where the director of a play demonstrated the difference between the closeness of a camera and the reaction of a stage moment by raising his eybrow. He then explained that on film that small movment would be profound but on the stage it is lost.
I know this sounds a bit rambling but the bottom line is the average guy does not have the resources to accomplish some of the thing they see on TV. But They do have the challenge to try.
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Look I give credit where credit is due. Blaine & to some extent Angel have popularized Magic again. I actually put Angel into the category of Entertainer, not magician, but that’s my philosophy and neither here nor there.

I recently went to a lecture at Marc DeSouza's house that featured Dr. Hass. He talked about the difference between Tricks & Magic / Effects & Art. People forget tricks, they remember Magic. Anyone can do a magic trick; it takes love & desire to produce Art.

If a Magician truly wants to get those types of reactions then they need to move their magic from the realm of Tricks & Effects to the realm of Magical Art.

Yeah it’s easy for me to say, and yes it is; as I myself will be working that road for the rest of my life. But, I can say that there have been a few times so far that I have gotten reactions like those on TV, and while performing during those times I felt it, I saw it in the spectator’s eyes that they truly went someplace or saw something Magical. I still get a rush thinking about it.

So to sum up my ranting, people can fuss all the time about how they could get that type of reaction with a film crew or they could be just as good as Blaine or Angel with the proper team behind them. Having experienced Magic from both side of the Top Hat, I say all you need is dedication, a love for the Art, support, and a true desire to perform the Art of Magic.
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I only started learning magic in December, and I have been performing on the streets and in bars for the last couple of months during my travels, and I have found that much more often than not you get the kind of reactions that you see on tv... obviously there are some times that you don't get a good reaction, but these have been way fewer than the good ones for me.

I think it's all about HOW you approach people and the WAY that you perform the magic.

I don't doubt that there are a LOTTT of out-takes from shows like that of Criss Angel, but they are the ones that inspired me to get into this magic world, and I am indebted to them as I have fallen in love with this art and the creativity that it involves.

But yes, I also agree, I much prefer the smaller tricks rather than the big more staged performances.
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I must say I bow to your experience and mastery of the art of magic....
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MagicSanta, you slay me!
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On 2008-03-18 21:47, MagicSanta wrote:
I must say I bow to your experience and mastery of the art of magic....


were you talking to me there?
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No, Jocopa...after only three months of doing magic he has 'em screaming and dancing in the streets, I'm impressed.
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He's a man after my own heart..I too started in December...of 1960..
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Alex Linian
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Interesting. I knew there wasn't much of a point to the thread. I just didn't think it would be missed completely by almost everyone.
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Give it another shot then Alex and we promise to try to get the idea....
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What my post not good enough? {just kidding}. Several people chimed in as to their take on the subject matter. Ok so the Thread didn't go to 10 pages but it is in discussion.

Its dosen't matter if you started last month or 40 years ago, if you read these posts, its opinion and some are good and some are not, in my opinion of course.

Back to the matter at hand. people always ask if I can do the lates Angel or Blaine trick. If its something that involves a camera crew then I just tell them that it's not my style.
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Is that usually efficacious?
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