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I agree with Kyle.

Unfortunately we still see magicians performing manipulative acts where they try to show off as many techniques as possible in each routine.
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Oh it happens all the time. Part of that is just because we are too easily influenced by what we have seen done before and we also tend to fall in love with the moves we learn.

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Although I am not a full-time magician, I have performed my manipulation act on a few rare occasions in school auditoriums and night clubs in Va. Beach, one of the top summer tourist/vacation spots on the East Coast. There were also occasional public shows for the local IBM ring. (Although there are many school show magicians, I doubt that many of them do manipulation in their show. I did once see Andre Kole at the University of North Carolina include some manipulation in his act.)

I also performed the manip act on stages at USO clubs and the Navy YMCA in Norfolk, Virginia. Those venues were a great place to break an act in. I used to be paranoid about performing in venues where the angles weren't absolutely perfect, but I learned to adapt. Instead of doing split fans, I limited the BP sequence to a few quick single cards followed by a single fan production right at the beginning. Being at the beginning, it caught everyone by surprise so they didn't have time to work out where the cards came from. I produced maybe five single cards and then a fan of 10 to 12 cards. Then I continued with relatively angle-proof, non-backpalming effects like the Zinab deck. (At the Navy Y and USO clubs, I ended with Ed Mishell's Fanorama, which always got a big hand.)

I think I may have mentioned before on the Café that after a performance at one school, a science teacher came up to me and said, "The cards come out of your sleeve, don't they." Before I became a magician, when I saw a magician produce cards at his fingertips, I too was convinced that the cards were up the magician's sleeve and some kind of gadget like lazy tongs shot them out to the fingertips. I had actually seen once a catalog of crooked gambling devices and a holdout was advertised. I figured since magicians sometimes use marked cards, maybe they used a gambler's holdout, too.

Somewhere in the literature of magic, someone (I think it was Vernon) wrote about Cardini doing "a backpalming act without backpalming."

I remember on the Red Skelton Show back in the 50's or 60's that Red would sometimes reserve a few minutes of the show for what he called "the silent spot" to do mime. I tried to incoporate that idea into my stand-up talk performances, sort of a tribute to the days of vaudeville magic.

Going off on a tangent: On some occasions after a show I would have the opportunity to meet and greet people from the audience. More than once someone would ask, "Is there any _real_ magic?" I would sometimes paraphrase something Paul Gallico wrote (I think in _The Man Who Was Magic_) about the world being full of magic--invisible drops of clear water that make a rainbow of every color, cows that change grass into milk, and many-legged caterpillars that magically change into butterflies.

And to quote Andrew Lord: "There is a world of beauty in all that is magical, and a wealth of magic in all that is beautiful."

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I believe the audience will be more amazed and entertained if the magician is performing the manipulation act with short sleeves. They will not have a chance to even think there is something in the sleeves. And it is possible to pull off a good manipulation act in short sleeves. Food for thoughts, guys and gals.
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I agree to an extent. If you are a manipulator who understands that what you do is entertain, then you can do so and have an audience love what you are doing short sleeves or not. Now if I am only showing an act of skill only and nothing else, then short sleeves may help in the skill and wow factor.

However, when I do manipulative magic, it is not all about skill alone. I add a lot in the manip routines I create. In this way the audience is engaged with what is happening and with my character. They stop worrying so much how I do it as hey are drawn into the experience of it.

This is not to say that performing manips in short sleeves is a bad idea. It certainly is not. I have done so on many occasions and when I perform them outside at festivals and the like. However, my wearing short sleeves is not so much just to impress.

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Or you can always just pull up your sleves.
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Kyle:

We are having the same thoughts.

Matt:

Yes, just like Lance Burton. He pulls up his sleeves just before his card act.
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It certainly can be done. I just would hate to see someone roll up the sleeves or wear a short sleeve shirt ONLY as an act of saying.. "watch my mad skills and you will NOT know where they go." Get my point? It is all in the reasoning behind the action. =)

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Agree with you fully, Kyle. The scripting of the storyline (plot) and the character role that goes with the routine is also equally important.
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Absolutely. There is more to manipulative magic routines then skill alone. Those that understand this are doing some amazing things with the art form.

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Re: performing manipulation in long sleeves or short sleeves--In a "casual" scenario, short sleeves is fine. But in a professional venue, more professional attire is most appropriate. Ganson writes in _Routined Manipulation, Volume 1_ page 7: "The aim should be to be the best dressed person present, as befitting the position as centre of attraction." That said, I think Fantasio performed on the Ed Sullivan show in tails tailored with short sleeves.

Of course, all this advice is academic if you're playing the part of a character (e.g. Vernon's Harlequin).

One of my pipe dreams was to perform card and coin manipulation dressed as a Mississippi riverboat gambler. I even considered adding six-shooter manipulation/flourishes (i.e., twirling and juggling Colt .45s) and rope twirling a la Will Rogers. Which brings up another idea that's been percolating in my brain. We "old-timers" may remember how Will used to entertain with humor and satire while twirling a lasso. I always thought that would be an interesting variation--card manipulations to accompany humorous monologue. You could even throw in the "Deck of Cards" soliloquy (the one about how the deck of cards is a calendar (52 cards=52 weeks in a year; four suits=four seasons), almanac, and Bible (ace, king, queen, and jack=Matthew, Mark, Luke and John).

Then there was Tarbell's Garden of Eden patter with the multiplying billiard balls...

Speaking of the Bible--Anyone besides me remember the story about a magic convention way back in the 50's (I think) where one of the non-magician guest performers presented a crucifixion act? No trick--real nails, real wounds, and real blood.

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
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McBride performs his card act a lot of the times in short sleeves and a vest.
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