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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
Hi MindTrap,
I hear what you are saying. I am guessing you have not seen the SpeedTrance DVD. John breaks it down pretty clearly. According to current terminology in the industry a rapid induction is under 5 minutes. An Instant induction is under 30 seconds. SpeedTrance is under 6 seconds, 2 to 3 seconds being the goal. I appreciate you could lump it all under one umbrella. Semantics aside, the inductions on the DVD and the explanations wrapped around them are very good. Anthony
Anthony Jacquin
Reality is Plastic! The Art of Impromptu Hypnosis Updated for 2016 Now on Kindle and Audible! |
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Mindtrap Veteran user 316 Posts |
Hi Anthony, thank you for taking the time.
I haven't seen it and I'll be saving my money on this one so far. But, I'm sure John & Richard do a great job in teaching their methods, that's not at all in question. Yes, an Instant Induction is still 0-30secs, so is definitely lumped in that band and that is what is currenly recognised. From what I hear and do know so far, there isn't anything remotely functionally different to what everyone is doing in Instant inductions, but I'd invite some information. Also I do, strongly, question whether the industry, reputable hypnotic associations, etc recognises this Speed Trance distinction. It seems, without anything to the contrary here, to be a branded way of doing the usual Instant Inductions. The point is: I can climb to the very summit of Everest in 0.2 secs. It merely takes an established basecamp and several months of REAL work, knowledge and experience to get all the way up to that very last step. |
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Bluebox New user 21 Posts |
Can't measure something if the standard isn't defined
as we all know there's different degrees of hypnosis. |
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Mindtrap Veteran user 316 Posts |
Fair point.
If you yank someone's arm down, grab their head, shove it to their knees (in a nice way) and then continue with more instructions, are they then in hypnosis at that 2 second point? They are not my favorite inductions, but they are useful and I dislike the gimmickry and exaggeration. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
See this is exactly the point I am getting at. It is an artificial "measuring contest" among hypnotists.
There is NO WAY to figure out if in the first .3 seconds they are simply complying and then go deeper, or if they are in trance or not. It simply can not be figured out. The Everest comparison is fantastic is it is dead on. See the point really is does it matter other than for the individual hypnotists ego? If you get them in trance for whatever reason, theraputic, or stage, then they are in and life moves on. WHO CARES other than the hypnotist? It is stupid to center on these things from a pure time point of view. Learn fast inductions as a way to complete and round out knowlege, absolutly. But the nonsense about "fastest" is just crazy and nothing but ego gratification on the part of the hypnoitst.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
From a stage point of view and my personal view. Someone is fully hypnotised when you have them to the point where they will take part in skits, open their eyes and "appear" to be awake but respond to re-induction keywords. In other words its when the hypnotist gets to the point where he/she can relax knowing he has his subjects where he wants them and the show is "safe". Anything less and they are on a hypnotic ladder. And every action is a step to taking them into the point of no return.
I wouldn't class anyone as being hypnotised just because they closed their eyes and fell to the floor. I would call that a pre-induction. I was taught those "speed trances" by my mentor about 20 years ago. It was from him I got the view that they were pre-inductions. I believe he was correct. I witnessed them being done much further back than that as a kid attending theatre shows. It's nothing new or different. From a therapy point of view depth of trance is meaningless. Trance is not the goal helping someone move on is the goal. To think of trance as being a major objective is a very limiting and narrow view. Someone who sells instructional DVds on NLP would know that from an NLP point of view depth of trance is not an issue. |Since the main belief is that we are in and out of trance more or less all the time. Plus what is regarded as hypnotic phenomena can be found in everyday "wakened" states. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Someone comes to you with a problem - they are in a "problem trance". In other words its not real.
Step 1 you pull them out of that trance. Step 2 you design a "more useful trance" and throw them into. They came in, in one trance they leave in another. Basic NLP |
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TheTrance-Master New user 91 Posts |
Some amazing stuff displayed here based upon a question all of us get from time to time, and some truly amazing emotional responses too.
Technically hypnosis occurs when a brainwave energy shift occurs. I have seen three dimensional brainwave scans as displayed on a combination of software on a laptop computer, coupled with Electrodes placed on the person's head. In the Aron’s (Harry) Scale of Hypnotic Depth testing, there are six different levels of hypnotic depth. Oddly, according to some research I've done, there are also six levels to the shift that occurs when REM, Rapid Eye Movement takes place. For me, when they’ve dropped into REM, they are Hypnotized sufficiently. As an American I feel that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. For me closed-mindedness is lame. But that's just my opinion, your mileage may vary. Obviously, many others board and I disagree with some opinions expressed here, but that's OK with me, that’s democracy. I have found it best of my own life keep an open-mind on certain things. Without some sort of induction, there is only naturally occurring hypnosis which occurs randomly approximately seven times a day in mentally healthy individuals. Perhaps I am not clearly understanding the wide-world of theories presented in some of these other posts. If a person didn’t want to be hypnotized, then why would they come up and sit in front of a roomful of people, or come to a session and pay you? At best any of us are: “Hypnotic Guides,” in other words, any and all of us finding methods and techniques to guide someone into their own hypnotic relaxation state. As there are six known ways to hypnotize someone, the combination approach is generally best called for. While it might be true that people wander in and out of hypnosis on their own naturally, that will not be of much help as they come to sit down for a show and participate as a guest in the program you are offering, nor is it any help in a private session if you must sit there and wait until the drift off in some way on their own without assistance. Inductions are the tools by which this profession functions. You can state theory day and night, express opinions that even seem nebulous, but THE REALITY is if you want someone hypnotized, you must do something to achieve that state. Further, I perform Long Inductions, in addition I also perform cutting-edge high-speed Inductions, AKA “Speed-Trance.” Both blow audiences mind’s. “Speed-Trance” Inductions blow the minds of the audience because they are so fast, and the people I work with, so reactive. It’s also like then when I do “Street Hypnosis” style demos. When I do a Longer Verbal Induction that in and of itself is also good theater. So where’s the problem, if it’s a show, you are there to Entertain, or am I missing something after hosting shows in 15 US States? Close-mindedness and intolerance aside, I think as a profession all of us need to be aware of the wide variety of ways audiences can be dazzled and blown away by the performances or session results we bring. Remember that at one time, the men and women of yesteryear, whom many of us now consider geniuses, whether it's my friend, the late, great Ormond McGill, or Bandler, or Erickson, or Elman, or Arons, or any of the other geniuses both dead and living, who’s shoulders we are standing upon today, first started out with ideas others once considered radical, unusual or just plain out there. The reason we are using “Speed-Trance” as a term, is the following: According to my training and the old-timers I’ve talked to by definition -- Rapid Inductions, usually less than 5 minutes. Instant Inductions, depending upon whom you talk to, 2 or 3 minutes, or to some, less than 30 seconds, all of this at the moment, things are open to adjustment and change as the profession grows -- reasonable assumption? What if you are dropping someone as a “Hypnotic Guide, Hypnotist, Stage Show Hypnotist,” or in states where legal still, “Hypnotherapist” or whatever you want to call us, in less than 8 seconds, or more often in less than 5 seconds, or more often, less than 3 seconds, less than 2 seconds etc.? Please remember, at one time, Rapid and Instant Inductions, were new terms, so too I have to believe was the word “Hogwash.” In someone's experiential opinion, other factors might be out of your control. But what if all 6 methods of Induction were compressed down in a few seconds all at once and were very difficult to avoid once a person sat down agreeing to be Hypnotized, as the drawn-out factor of most older Inductions are working against, were eliminated? What I am truly failing to understand here is the level of anger all of this seems to be evoking? Why? What is the fear, what is your fear, why the apparent rage? How is something which just might be a breakthrough, fast, useful and effective, being considered a gimmick or an exaggeration? What's the threat? Silly and pointless sarcasm aside, yeah, I would state some of what's been developed might be of “some true magnitude," and without reviewing what's been done, and only relying on heresy and short video clips, how can one render an intelligent and well-thought out opinion? How about studying something before stating self-developed facts, based upon what? Just scratching my head here and wondering, I always thought people in this profession to be open-minded. Personally, I always thought, Space, (or perhaps the human mind) to be the final frontier. Well, maybe that's just my truth. Angry rage, a very poor substitute for intelligent and intellectual discussion. In terms of techniques, what works, works! Egos nad unproductive rage aside, “can’t we all just get along?” – basic Rodney King |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
My opposition is that when you center on speed you are centering on the hypnotist. THAT is a huge problem I have with modern hypnosis in general.
How many times have you seen a NGH certified hypnotist in front of the crowd and them saying "move I can't see my brother!". I have seen it too often. The focus of a "show" or the focus of "clinical work" should both be the same. THE VOLUNTEER. When you break it down into "how fast I can hypnotise someone", it becomes a stupid artificial measuring contest, and is idiotic. I get all sorts of questions from the public, do I let those dictate the way I choose to do a show? Not hardly. The "how fast is fast" is not a measure. How much do you help them, how much do you entertain, THESE are the questions that will not provoke me. The hypnosis show has become far too much about the "hypnotist". Look at many of the things offered by people other than Richard. (he gets an exemption LOL) Make money fast, learn quickly, I, I, I, me, me, me, and never once do they seem to care that there is a volunteer (hopefully) and god willing an audience to consider. I hate and am outraged that the focus of modern hypnosis is not on the people any more but on the ego gratification of the hypnotist. Now if you want to be the worlds fastest hypnotist to the world at large as a marketing tool, fine with me. No problem, heck I use marketing tools myself. I have no problem with this. But when you come here and spout the nonsense which has your ego gratification at the center, then yes it does provoke a bit of anger from me for 2 reasons. One is the first one I stated, and 2 you think I am stupid enough to believe it. I can show you credible science studies which completly contradict your definition of trance anyhow. You spout them as if they are gospel. Want to have your day ruined, read "They call it hypnosis" and get back to me. Yes many credible people believe that hypnosis does not exist so lets stop playing definition games shall we? Now as for me as I stated, I am all for learning all you can about spacific things. I am all for learning speed inductions and everything you can about a process which we use daily. I am all for advancing the ball forward. I just don't like where the ball has landed. If you can remove the "artificial measuring contest" from this equasion, we can actually have complete agreement. I tell you this, if you think you are going to walk up to a complete stranger and put them in trance with no expectations, let me know. You may get lucky and hit one but as a rule the huge percentage of people it is not going to work with and this is pretty much fact. With a willing participant, the sky is the limit. (what I mean is 1 second is EASY to hit with the right subject. I have done this in the right condition with the right person) Lets be honest since hypnosis is almsost ALL about expectation, with enough of it, time is not a factor. But again is that because I am good, or because they expect so much? So my apparant anger comes from shifting of focus from the volunteer, to the hypnotist. I hope you see my point. My guess is no though LOL, and if you don't really see my point, it is part of the problem anyhow.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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TheTrance-Master New user 91 Posts |
It would seem to me that you might be making an assumption based on some experience you had in the past. While your points may be valid ones, having studied Aristotelian Logic in college and as a recall, getting an A that class, any argument based on assumption or emotion is considered illogical. Honestly and sincerely, I do not make that statement to confront you, but to clarify my point.
You and I, as well as anyone here, well know that any decent hypnotist, is a conduit for guiding the individual or individuals were working with into a state of trance. it's just that the methods by which we are able to guide someone into a deep state of trance, can effectively be modified to speedily enhance benefit and results. In lengthier induction procedures after having hypnotize conservatively 48,000 people, It has been my experience that some will use lengthier Inductions against the process of being hypnotized, based on misinformation and stereotypes, even though they're there to be a part of the experience, their subconscious still harbors fear of things like Lhasa control, information revealed, or being made a fool of. I also honestly feel and know debt as a profession as hypnotists, whether clinical as schisms take place between us and various other modalities, perhaps in psychological circles or medical circles, or perhaps as the art and craft of hypnosis like anything else must evolve, I do see High-Impact, resistance lowering, super instant a cane a speed trains techniques to be the future of where we're headed. I would assume you have attempted to express something I'm not understanding here by stating, "move I can't see my brother!" -- please explain what you mean in order to clarify. I have numerous hypnosis certifications and credentials many of which are through the NGH. of course the focus of any show or clinical work is THE VOLUNTEER, but how we get them into a deeper level of trance, in ways that are comfortable and yet effective always has room for improvement as to rest on any laurels from the past, or the genius of perhaps bygone individuals, days to condemn this profession to stagnation and mediocrity. I do not believe that I am focusing on the hypnotist, just the shopping and focusing of skills and techniques to achieve higher impact and greater results. The programs I have talked since the turn of the century at the NGH convention, as well as elsewhere in other conferences and various hypnosis associations, and meetings, and private training classes, are all Goal-Centered to achieve higher impact and greater results in the work than any individual in our profession where certified to practice is doing, to the benefit of the client, hypnotic subject, or whatever you call your individual volunteer. I thought the crosses my mind now as I am putting this together to send you, is how do you explain to the individuals who will come up to you after a show or a demonstration and ask you the question posed at the top of this thread? Do you tell them that their question is a stupid one? From one professional to another certainly hope not. With the exception of yourself, and perhaps a handful of others who were posted in this thread, I've never experienced the level of outrage expressed here, although I am with you when it comes to putting the individuals in your care first. Anyone with a lick of sense in this profession is doing their ultimate best to take the very best care of individuals in their care. That is not to say that I have not seen other ages performances on video, as well as a handful of other demonstrations and I took exception to. So let me be perfectly clear here. It is not my intention to focus upon the hypnotist as has been in first year. If this were martial arts training, would it be discussing a concept called "mastery." When techniques I have developed are mastered, practitioner is better skilled, most generally various forms of unknowing subconscious resistance from a volunteer, a subject, or a clinical participant, have been swept aside and results are achieved. When my session work is coming to a conclusion, I generally leave them laughing a bit through suggestion. What I conclude a show I talk about them having a nine hour nap and a seven hour backrub, along with other personal Empowerment suggestions as well. I also sincerely and foundationally approach this profession as a profession and individuals as workers within it in need of intensive training, and when I trained someone and certify them as an instructor, I do not want them leaving me like a little puppy dog lost in the world but rather a skilled practitioner and colleague. It is not about "making money, fast, learn quickly, I, I, I, me, me, me," but rather launching this profession and the professionals working within it to their highest possible potentials, while achieving the results they are cooperatively working for in conjunction with the individuals whose lives we are connecting with, to the highest and possibly best greatest good. What you think Richard and I are working together? As far as I know we don't know each other and have never met. If you knew me, you would know where my heart was and where I was coming from. All things are open to interpretation and discussion, but I have personally found that enlightening in explaining works better than being upset and enraged. Would you agree? I have never said I am a fast as hypnotist and the world. I keep getting that from people lately as well. Others in the profession of said that about me, I generally don't. As I have not gone up against every other hypnotist in the world, even if I was coming from a place as you might think or suggest for a moment, we're also about the mercy of the people sitting in the chair in front of us would you agree? I had some individuals are taken at least four seconds to go into hypnosis, while others have gone out and less than a second. I think you might be diagnosing, projecting and analyzing here, deducing that this is Ego driven rather than my sincere desire to keep our profession to the next highest energy level. I expect you to believe nothing. I want nothing from you. I simply put this up as a method of of exchanging ideas in getting feedback, rather than attempting to insight rage. I can also show you studies the completely contradictory studies. What does that mean? If there are those who do not believe that hypnosis exists, then what are they doing in this profession? For every study released there is some other study that will counteract it. Just take a look at popular nutrition within the media, one day salt is the worst thing in the world, and the next day we can't live without it. I did not play with your ball, I did not throw anywhere, where it landed I know not where it had nothing to do with me. My original intent as their stated several times here, was to simply ask a question and get some feedback, as to where directed effort achieved optimal results. Silly me, I believed that point to be self-of evident. I felt understand some of the point you're making hear you think I woke up to total strangers in the street and attacked them with hypnosis? That I ever say anything like that that led you to believe I did those things? Is anyone in their right mind in this profession attempting to do those things, as I've not heard those stories? There is a degree of intent involved here. If you intend to hypnotize someone in an environment that is conducive, and with a can use a person, more than likely will achieve optimum results. This is not only my opinion, it's the opinion of many old-timers of spoken to, including some of the people I mentioned higher on this thread. One point I strongly disagree with, the hypnotist and the volunteer on a partnership together. One the guide, and the other guided. Is it possible you will agree with that? Please do not reject any more of your opinions about me personally while you don't know me. He could like to talk to me I have a web site with a phone number on it and would be happy to discuss this with you in detail. In order for me to be effective as a hypnotist, other things I must assume, when working with someone in whatever capacity I work. However, I do maintain to a greater or lesser extent emotional detachment and balance, while avoiding transference and projection issues. I see your points, and if you knew me better, perhaps you would not see me as one of the bad guys whom provoke your scorn and wrath, because actually I am not. however it seems to me that if your passion used to evoke improvement in the profession, logical arguments from emotionally detached and dispassionate explanations whilst avoiding projection will tend to get your points across more clearly. In every way possible I wish the following: The Elevation of this profession to its highest and greatest potentials. The continued thriving success of all properly trained and ethically working professionals in this field. Greater breakthroughs that even I have dared to dream. And trust me, I have dreamed a lot! A mutual understanding, respect for differing points of view, as well as a calm discussion of points and ideas in our profession. Health, prosperity and happiness coupled to a long and enjoyable life for all individuals here including you and I. As well as a bright and brilliant future of this profession and all involved in it. |
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TheTrance-Master New user 91 Posts |
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It would seem to me that you might be making an assumption based on some experience you had in the past. While your points may be valid ones, having studied Aristotelian Logic in college and as a recall, getting an A that class, any argument based on assumption or emotion is considered illogical. Honestly and sincerely, I do not make that statement to confront you, but to clarify my point. You and I, as well as anyone here, well knows that any decent hypnotist, is a conduit for guiding the individual or individuals we're working with into a state of trance. It's just that the methods by which we are able to guide someone into a deep state of trance, can effectively be modified to speedily enhance benefit and results. In lengthier induction procedures after having hypnotized conservatively 48,000 people, it has been my experience that some will use lengthier Inductions against the process of being hypnotized, based on misinformation and stereotypes, even though they're there to be a part of the experience, their subconscious still harbors a fear of things like loss of control, information revealed, or being made a fool of, etc. I also honestly feel and know that as a professional hypnotists, whether clinical as schisms take place between us and various other modalities, perhaps in psychological circles or medical circles, or perhaps as the art and craft of hypnosis like anything else must evolve, I do see High-Impact, resistance lowering, super instantly occurring speed-trance techniques to be the future of where we're headed. I would assume you have attempted to express something I'm not understanding here by stating, "move I can't see my brother!" -- please explain what you mean in order to clarify. I have numerous hypnosis certifications and credentials many of which are through the NGH. Of course the focus of any show or clinical work is THE VOLUNTEER, but how we get or guide them into a deeper levels of trance, in ways that are comfortable and yet effective always has room for improvement, as to rest on any laurels from the past, or the genius of perhaps bygone individuals, is to condemn this profession to stagnation and mediocrity. I do not believe that I am focusing on the hypnotist, just the sharpening and focusing of skills and techniques to achieve higher impact and greater results. The programs I have taught since the turn of the century at the NGH convention, as well as elsewhere in other conferences and various hypnosis associations, and meetings, and private training classes, are all Goal-Centered to achieve higher impact and greater results in the work than any individual in our profession where certified to practice is doing, to the benefit of the client, hypnotic subject, or whatever you call your individual volunteer. Those class titles of mone can be looked up if you so desire. A thought the crosses my mind now as I am putting this together to send you, is how do you explain to the individuals who will come up to you after a show or a demonstration and ask you the question posed at the top of this thread? Do you tell them that their question is a stupid one? From one professional to another I certainly hope not. With the exception of yourself, and perhaps a handful of others who have posted on this thread, I've never experienced the level of outrage expressed here, although I am with you when it comes to putting the individuals in your care first! Anyone with a lick of sense in this profession is doing their ultimate best to take the very best care of individuals in their care. That is not to say that I have not seen other stage performances on video, as well as a handful of other live demonstrations and I took exception to. So let me be perfectly clear here. It is not my intention to focus upon the hypnotist as has been stated here. If this were martial arts training, would it be discussing a concept called "mastery." When techniques I have developed are mastered, a practitioner is better skilled, most generally various forms of lowering subconscious resistance from a volunteer, a subject, or a clinical participant, have been swept aside and results are achieved. When my session work is coming to a conclusion, I generally leave them laughing a bit through suggestion. When I conclude a show I talk about them having a nine hour nap and a seven hour backrub, along with other Personal Empowerment suggestions. If you love the Hypnosis Profession, you are not alone. I also sincerely and foundationally approach this profession as a true profession and the individuals here as workers within it in need of intensive training, and when I train someone and certify them as an instructor, I do not want them leaving me like a little puppy dog lost in the world but rather a skilled practitioner and colleague. It is not about "making money, fast, learning quickly, I, I, I, me, me, me," but rather launching this profession and the professionals working within it to their highest possible potentials, while achieving the results they are cooperatively working for in conjunction with the individuals whose lives we are connecting with, to the highest and possibly best greatest good. What you think Richard and I are working together? As far as I know you and I don't know each other and have never met. If you knew me, you would know where my heart was and where I was coming from. All things are open to interpretation and discussion, but I have personally found that enlightening and explaining works better than being upset and enraged. Would you agree? I have never said I am the fastest hypnotist in the world. I keep getting that from people lately as well. Others in the profession of said that about me, I generally don't. As I have not gone up against every other hypnotist in the world, even if I was coming from a place as you might think or suggest for a moment, we're also about the mercy of the people sitting in the chair in front of us wouldn't you agree? I had some individuals that havr taken at least four seconds to go into hypnosis, while others have gone out and less than a second. I feel here, you might be diagnosing, projecting and analyzing here, deducing that this is Ego Driven rather than my sincere desire to kick our profession to the next highest energy level. Personally, I expect you to believe nothing. I ask for nothing. I want nothing from you. I simply put this up as a method of exchanging ideas in getting feedback, rather than attempting to insight rage. I can also show you studies the completely contradict your studies. So what does that mean? False measurments? If there are those who do not believe that hypnosis exists, then what are they doing in this profession? Buit I've met them. For every study released there is some other study that will counteract it. Just take a look at popular nutrition within the media, one day salt is the worst thing in the world, and the next day we can't live without it. I did not play with your ball, I did not throw anywhere, where it landed I know not where, it had nothing to do with me. My original intent as their stated several times here, was to simply ask a question and get some feedback, as to where directed effort achieved optimal results. Silly me, I believed that point to be self-evident. I fail to understand some of the points you're making here, do you think I walk up to total strangers in the street and attack them with hypnosis? Did I ever say anything like that which led you to believe I did those things? Is anyone in their right mind in this profession attempting to do those things? I've not heard those stories. There is a degree of intent involved here. If you intend to hypnotize someone in an environment that is conducive, and with a condusive person, you shall more than likely achieve optimum results. This is not only my opinion, it's the opinion of many old-timers of spoken to, or read, including some of the people I mentioned higher on this thread. One point I strongly express here, is the hypnotist and the volunteer are in a partnership together. One the guide, and the other guided. Is it possible you will agree with that? Please do not project any more opinions about me personally while you don't know me. If you would like to talk to me I have a web site with a phone number on it and would be happy to discuss this with you in detail. In order for me to be effective as a hypnotist, other things I must assume, when working with someone in whatever capacity. However, I do maintain to a greater or lesser extent, rely upon emotional detachment and balance, while avoiding transference and projection issues. I see your points, and if you knew me better, perhaps you would not see me as one of the bad guys whom provoke your scorn and wrath, because actually I am not. However it seems to me that if your passion is used to evoke improvement in the profession, logical arguments from emotionally detached and dispassionate explanations while avoiding projection will tend to get your points across more clearly and effectively. In every way possible I wish the following: The Elevation of this profession to its highest and greatest potentials. The continued thriving success of all properly trained and ethically working professionals in this field. Greater breakthroughs than even I have dared to dream. And trust me, I have dreamed a lot! A mutual understanding, respect for differing points of view, as well as a calm discussion of points and ideas in our profession. Health, prosperity and happiness coupled to a long and enjoyable life for all individuals here including you and I. As well as a bright and brilliant future of this profession and all involved in it. |
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Mindtrap Veteran user 316 Posts |
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…What I am truly failing to understand here is the level of anger all of this seems to be evoking? Why? What is the fear, what is your fear, why the apparent rage? How is something which just might be a breakthrough, fast, useful and effective, being considered a gimmick or an exaggeration? What's the threat? Silly and pointless sarcasm aside, yeah, I would state some of what's been developed might be of “some true magnitude," and without reviewing what's been done, and only relying on heresy and short video clips, how can one render an intelligent and well-thought out opinion? How about studying something before stating self-developed facts, based upon what?... Etc. Thanks for adding some information about your product ideas. Due to Anthony, I now know that “speed trance” are inductions aimed to be done in a very few seconds, arguably as a yet finer distinction of “Instant Inductions” - itself a finer distinction from Rapid inductions, Elman, etc.. Thanks to yourself, I now know that you’re looking at condensing common features of inductions (you have 6) into workable techniques in this small timeframe. That’s all I really know, and that is a little bit of what I, for one, was looking for early on but not getting. These were the questions I was asking in my open invitations precisely because I never rely on second-hand opinions, clips, assumptions, hyped terms, advertising BS etc. (or so I try) This is precisely why I ask is this a development of some magnitude, you would say, or yet another - widespread in the NLP, hypnosis and related industries - rebrand of existing terms, etc. My current money, without more concrete info, of a kind that you may divulge to fellow delegates at a conference say, is that it may be some of both. What tells me nothing (about “speedtrance” that is) is that it, you and Richard have endorsements, ‘social proof’, buyers in multiple continents, you have authority and performance credibility, knew the late, great Mr McGill, etc. This is not being angry or rude when, at worst I’d filter most of that out as marketing hype, at best as just misdirected communication. All of it is mentally struck out as irrelevant (to me, not everyone). If you think that’s anger, it isn’t. I'm taking one part but not all or even the majority, of your complaint is aimed at me... You ask us why the communication has provoked challenges and criticism (my frame) or why we are angry and can’t get along (another frame)? You know the old transactional analysis P-A-C model, where marriages and businesses break down because one party speaks P to C and the problem lies when the other doesn’t respond in kind? They don’t respond C to P back or maybe they were looking purely for A – A. Well up until recently the talk was all “marketing” to whomever, even when we’re in turn saying “OK, now level with us, we mostly know what we’re talking about, what’s the low-down on this?” When the same was repeated it’s only reinforcing the same pattern and is going to provoke criticism. As far as getting along, I tend to ‘do unto others…’, level with people, congratulate them, criticise their points, ask them to cut through the BS, etc. There is an insidious kind of friendly cowardice in places of the café (unfortunately, also unfriendliness too), where people don’t want to risk their friendships and always-nice persona in offering a balanced or challenging view. For me that’s pointless, valueless and not why I come here. The thread was started with what could be viewed as a fair bit of marketing hype, hypnosis as a subject and small economy is prone to hype and myth-feeding marketing more than most as we know, and let’s face it, many people will have and will in the future buy your speedtrance , in particular, as opposed to your $497 course that actually may take some real work on their part, on the basis of this seeming gimmickry and its title. They can go out and try to zap their mom, brother or the cute girl at school into believing they aren’t a dork or whatever (can that work by the way??). I do have confidence that from a poor basis you set them straight in general with good quality info. Others, like the posters in this thread want and need a little bit more. I think all of us have been on trainings (or in some cases even offer them), and have Instant Inductions already down, so needed to know where this was really placed at. Would I learn anything new? There are also emotive issues involved that are not limited to you or your product based on how hypnosis and hypnotists are viewed along with instant inductions– that’s going to come with the territory if discussion on this is going to happen. Lastly, as businessmen you may well have heard “close on the objection”, that is in taking something to be akin to a mere angry mob, you may fail to see the reality and even the opportunity… the actual motivation behind people. All the best… and with respect, MT. |
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