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RedEyes New user Lancashire, UK 65 Posts |
Re: Out Of This World
'Quinn' in an earlier post to this thread mentioned Derren Brown, but didn't give any credit to how good Derren's version of 'Out Of This World' really is. You do need to know a 'certain something' by Lennart Green, but is still an excellent handling of this effect, the spectator does all the dealing etc.. 'The Devil's Picture Book' is highly reccommended to all. Unless you just work with coins, then I suggest you don't buy it. Cheers, Jonny. |
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Garrett Nelson Special user 644 Posts |
Steve Draun has a rather interesting version, methinks. It is one of those things that really made me say to myself, "That is DARNED clever."
I have it on his Secrets Draun from Underground CD, which you can get from him. Naturally, I imagine it is in the book, too. -Garrett |
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shanla Loyal user Japan, Tokyo 285 Posts |
Ron Wilson's "Way Out of This World" which is described in Kaufman's "Uncanny Scott" is pretty good. This is the inspiration source of J.C. Wagner's "Prediction Out of This World". In my opinion, Wagner's routine has an illogical point in the final display.
John Kennedy's "Ultimate Out of This World" is also worth to check for its simplicity. This routine requires no exchange of the indicator cards.
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Joshua Quinn Inner circle with an outer triangle 2054 Posts |
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On 2003-03-17 18:01, RedEyes wrote: Just to clarify, the Lennart Green move that Derren uses in his version isn't the one I was referring to. (In fact, I had completely forgotten that Derren even uses it.) I was talking about the packet switch that Lennart does just before the revelation, which isn't used in Derren's version. Quinn
Every problem contains the seeds of its own solution. Unfortunately every problem also contains the seeds of an infinite number of non-solutions, so that first part really isn't super helpful.
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Loz Special user London 777 Posts |
Re: not having to deal into piles, has anyone tried adapting Ray Kosby's move on the International magic lecture vid that he uses prior to his oil and water routine?
Without giving away the method, the effect is he shuffles the deck, ribbon spreads it f.d. and ask the spec to pull out cards from the spread. Ray then takes cards from the spread similarly at random. Ray ends up with only red, and the spec with only black. Nice principle. |
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
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On 2003-03-16 08:05, Jon Allen wrote: Jon, Curry had an approach in "Special Effects" and later reprinted in "Worlds Beyond" wherin the cards are not dealt into alternate piles with choices of red or black. The spectator simply guesses which cards he thinks are red. This is not a full deck version, and has a presentation themed around being able to turn luck on and off. I personally think this is the BEST version, and used to use it quite a lot. Paul. |
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Aus Special user Australia 996 Posts |
James Swain's book "Miracles with Card" (I think that's what its called) has a version that after the colours are divided, all the card go into suit and number order.
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jacksorbetter Regular user Philadelphia 121 Posts |
"Rack and Bled" in AHEAD OF THE PACK has a pretty interesting, if simple, principle behind it.
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kipling100 Loyal user 260 Posts |
I read in Paul Wilson's notes, Roy Walton's Pass at Red (i think that's what it's called), is sort of an out of this world effect : the spectator draws randomly the only 3 black cards in a group of red cards.
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Dr. Jakks Special user 832 Posts |
I use UF Grant's impromtu "guess" handling then do a nice Galaxy display. I play's well and is impromptu.
Jakks |
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Loz Special user London 777 Posts |
It seems that the central problems in OOTW are the initial set up, and the pile switching. Initial set up can be handled by a 1-2 separation or angle separation, or the Ouellet Netherworld approach.
As for packet switching, the Derren Brown method and the Lennart Green method come to mind, but I don't think are the best possible. My feeling is the packet switch needs more work by the community. Ahhh. Yes I will inform the community what they should be doing based on my encyclopedic knowledge. Sorry got a bit megalomaniacal there. ;p |
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chrisis1 New user Amsterdam 70 Posts |
Nobody mentioned using a stripper deck. Make sure the blacks and reds have the narrow side on the opposite side. Let the spectator shuffle, one cut, and you're set.
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Geoff Weber Inner circle Washington DC 1384 Posts |
I just had this idea last night while reading through Galaxy. I wouldn't try this unless I felt comfortable that the person doing it was a good sport. Instead of having them succeed, reverse the piles so they get 100% wrong. Its still just as magical, but is a bit comedic if that fits your presentation style.. After they have finished dealing you peek and go, "Oh my god..... I don't believe it!! (then turn over the cards to reveal them) You got every single one wrong!!! Even statistical probabilty says you should have gotten at least half right by guessing! Well sir, you have beaten the odds!"
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Bob Baker Inner circle 1111 Posts |
Keep an eye out for Ted Karmilovich's new book coming out soon. He has a version with a borrowed deck shuffled and DEALT by the spectator.
Performer tells spectator into which pile to place the cards and yet does the separation without ever touching the cards. Fries everyone who knows every other method. Start saving your bucks... |
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
Funny idea Geoff.
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Ben Blau Inner circle 1475 Posts |
I have a version that will be up for sale soon. It has some features I've never seen before in an OOTW. Here are some of the conditions:
1. Any complete deck of cards can be used. 2. The cards can be examined, and shuffled by either the performer or participant. 3. The participant always decides which pile each card goes into. 4. No change in procedure mid-way through. 5. No clean-up needed at the end. 6. No gimmicks. 7. No sleights 8. Nothing for the audience to find at the end. 9. Logical motivation for the procedure involved. 10. Can be performed impromptu. 11. Entirely self-working. I don't think I'm leaving anything out. I have fooled some of the biggest names in mentalism with this version. The only thing I'm n sure about is whether I should release this as an one dual item, or as part of a collection. Ben Blau
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FoggFactor Regular user Texas 189 Posts |
I didn't see anybody mention this one, but Helder Guimaraes has a version of Out Of This World on his Small Miracles DVD. He holds up two cards, the spectator tells him, let's say, the color of the card on the left or two is and he places them down into their color specific piles. It is a great method and routine that is different from most I've seen. If for some reason I can't setup for Galaxy, this is the version I do.
Jon, I am interested in how your version looks. Are you willing to explain what happens instead of dealing into two piles? |
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Cain Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 1550 Posts |
Strong thread bump.
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ULockJustice Loyal user Columbus, OH 201 Posts |
I watched Joe Barry do his "Out Of My Mind" last night, and it's easily the strongest and most baffling version I have seen.
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Ricardo Delgado Loyal user 230 Posts |
The only version I know is the one by Lennart Green. I Like it, but I don't do it any more. Not sure why.
But, also by Lennart Green, there is the "Index Intuition" (I wrote about it before here on the café, but I got the name wrong, I called it "Fingertip Intuition"). It's not really an OOTW effect, but it is very closely related. It's a competition between magician and spectator, where each one must get the cards according to the color they have chosen. If spectators selects red, he must try to get only red cards and discard black ones. Magician does the same with the opposite color. It's a very fun routine and it can be as strong as an OOTW. I find it a very good handling, because at the end is the spectator the on who turn her/his own cards face up, to discover all of them match the chosen color. The performer don't touch the cards after they have been selected. Beautiful. |
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