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Ramsay Special user England 638 Posts |
Johnny Thompson will make a special guest appearance at my coming mentalism workshop (featuring Jermay, Banachek & Weber.)
John will appear in the 'Thanks To Chan" section of the workshop: A screening of Chan Canasta will be held and after watching the performance a discussion will take place on the man himself. Jermay considers watching Chan perform to be one of the most educating of experiences for a mentalist. This discussion will feature Jermay and special guest Johnny Thompson – no one knows Chan’s material like John. Johnny worked with Chan on the playboy circuit for close to 2 years and has the real work and previously unpublished inside information about Can his routines and his approach to performance. This promises to be one of the highlights of the workshop! |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I'd like to have a chat with Johnny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sotyIECe_hw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMuhTEkx5VM These 18 folks would too! http://www.murphysmagic.com/Multi-Langua......ell+game
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kannon Inner circle BCN 1025 Posts |
Its justified exposure, its like exposing a credit card scam.
My work and the Mtangulizi here http://kannonsworks.weebly.com featuring work on drawing duplications, a fiddle-free billet tear, bar mentalism, pendulums
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Ramsay Special user England 638 Posts |
Johnny is certainly not the first to be a part of this type of thing against the shell gam - and interestingly magicians have no right to claim ownership of this as it comes from a world that is removed from ours and whether you make use of it in an entertainment setting or not it does have a very real negative affect on people and thus I feel it is a warrented and justified move as Kannon points out above.
Also the notion that ANYONE could question Johnny on this issue is amazing. Slim I assume you know about Johnnys long and amazing realtionship with magic right? Seems weird that this would bother you with these points in mind. L |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Why would it be AMAZING that I don't like the fact that someone exposes magic for any reason, no matter how many years they've been doing it. The Masked Magician was a working magician for many years before he SOLD OUT. Seems weird you don't remember him, or was that OK too?
I personally don't know ANYONE whose lost any money being scammed by the Three Shell Game in recent history. However, I do know 18 manufacturers who aren't too happy about this kind of public exposure of marketed effects. ( I'd find a few more but it's 4AM ) What about our fellow magicians that have purchased these secrets over the years? I guess they just threw their money down the drain because of the Three Shell Game plague that is sweeping the nation.
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
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On 2008-04-03 03:47, kannon wrote: ? Justified exposure? I thougt that was only ok for Janet Jackson? Since when is exposing ANY secret justified? J |
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LLL Inner circle 1574 Posts |
Back to the topic at hand; The Canasta Part sounds awesome.
Mescalito
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words.
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
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On 2008-04-03 04:23, Slim King wrote: I agree with Slim 100%. So what Luke is saying is that the Pubas of an industry can help muck up the industry with impunity, since of course they helped further it? Unconventional line of thinking...I think! What if Johnny exposed your chair routine or rubix cube Luke would that be ok? Would he have the RIGHT? Would you question him? I think there is so much material out in the magic/entertainment world for Johnny to work/expose on TV, why did he have to pick on the Shells? John |
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Todd Robbins V.I.P. New York 2922 Posts |
Ah, The Magic Café doing what it does best! Turning an annoucement about the opportunity to spend some time with one of the greatest creative individuals into a rehash of an old, old arguement involving an expose of a street scam.
With any luck, this will drag on for a hundred posts. Johnny is a GREAT man. He is not a young man and there is SO MUCH that can be learned from him. Only an idiot would want to waste time talking to him about the three shell game on Mind Freak. Sorry to be blunt about this. This whole digression is stupid. A Puba has spoken. |
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Torkova Regular user Astoria, NY 192 Posts |
Well spoken, Puba...
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Yes, you are holding the party line! Good for you! I'm glad to see you consider yourself a Puba
Had Johnny come out a said ... "Gee I'm sorry, I exposed something just for the money" we could all forgive him. move on, or whatever the newest term is. But he didn't do that. And If you read my first post you will see I'm doing as you've advised ..... I'd like to chat with Johnny! I want to draw from his wisdom and find out why it is so important to expose marketed effects.
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
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On 2008-04-03 09:34, Todd Robbins wrote: I am truly disappointed that you are of this opinion Todd. (With reference to the exposure part being ... swept under the rug and ok.) John |
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kannon Inner circle BCN 1025 Posts |
I think placing credit card skimming fascias with micro cameras over ATM very clever, but it should be exposed.
Its a scam/a con enticing people to gamble in a game they have no odds of winning: its not a magic trick. You may present it that way; but its roots are buried in fleecing people of money. Anyway: Wish I Lived in Vegas; seems like quite a event being hosted.
My work and the Mtangulizi here http://kannonsworks.weebly.com featuring work on drawing duplications, a fiddle-free billet tear, bar mentalism, pendulums
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts |
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On 2008-04-03 09:34, Todd Robbins wrote: This is great! Very smart post Todd -- and true... Jayh
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bitterman Inner circle 1189 Posts |
I, for one, was shocked when Johnny exposed that he spray paints on his hair on Mind Freak. Who knew?
If you are not cheating, you are only cheating yourself.
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Todd Robbins V.I.P. New York 2922 Posts |
Here we go again.
Johnny didn't expose a magic trick or marketed effect. The magic trick of the three shell game is a different thing. It is done for entertainment purposes (there's that phrase again)with presentation and additional moves that transcend what was shown on Mind Freak. Johnny showed the basic workings of a street scam, a con, a fraud, a bit of deception created to steal money from people that think they are playing a game. What is shown in that Mind Freak segment is the method behind a crime that has bilked hundreds of thousands (if not millions)of dollars from people. The segment was presented to show that you can't win at this 'game'. That is what was truly exposed in that segment. It is a good message to present. And the fact that the public is still being taken in shows that it is a message that should be presented as often as possible, until the day that no one wants to 'play' the 'game' on the street and it becomes extinct as a crime. When the three shell game becomes the exclusive property of magicians, then there is no reason to explain the workings to the public. Until that day, the workings of it will be shown over and over again. Johnny wasn't the first, nor will he be the last. And it is not just the shells. The same goes for Monte, short changing, hand mucking, dealing seconds and bottoms and all other forms of subterfuge used to cheat people. The fact that magicians use some of these to entertain is beside the point. That's my party line and it is not a bad one to hold. So Slim, the choice is yours. You can either waste time by haranguing Johnny for having done something that you consider a sin, or you can talk to him about how you can become a better performer. The choice is yours. And for the record, I am not a Puba. I am a GRAND PUBA. So don't no one of youse forget it. |
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jasons_mind Loyal user 258 Posts |
I am surprised to hear exposure cries from some of the more experienced members of this board.
The shell scam has been exposed more times than any of us can count. Furthermore, methods mean so little in actual performance that you can create the slightest variation of an exposed method that it would go unnoticed a week later. Two good posts Todd. I'm in agreement. Jason. |
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malkav Veteran user 314 Posts |
Im positive Johnny Thompson has put WAY more time and effort into the shell game than anyone here claiming exposure.
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Why should I talk to him about being a better performer?
David Blaine did a great Watch steal ... Are you guys planning on exposing that too? His video shows WHERE he did it but never HOW. Couldn't JT and CA have just said ... "It's a con and don't get involved!" instead of doing what the public wants and GIVING AWAY SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. (Of course the TV dudes did pay you guys for it didn't they) I'm sure I could learn from the Masked Magician .. He put in a lot of time before his EXPOSURE ... But I won't for the same reasons I'm complaining here What next? .. Three Card Monte you say. What after that? Double lift? False shuffle? Any card slight used to fool people? Might as well expose everything from School for Scoundrels or anything like it while you are at it.
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DT3 Inner circle Hill Valley 1920 Posts |
BOT...Jermay, Weber, Banachek, Thompson and Canasta!
That is one deadly recipe! I am so bummed that I won't be able to make it out to the other side of the country for this one. I only hope someone will be kind enough to post a summary of the event so that the rest of us can (jealously) join in vicariously. Seriously, you fellas should video an event like this and sell it for big big bucks. I for one would pay a handsome sum. No real interest in the shell game but oh how I would love to sit in on JT's Chan talk. I have a feeling that the Chan's spirit will permeate this event in a big way. Now I am all Channed up and must go put in one of his DVD performances. "If you believe..".CC |
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