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Rickfcm
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How many of you still use fire in your program. As a Sunday school teaching I use to use flash paper, flash string and the burning bible all the time. Now it has been a couple of years since I have used the flash paper and string. Still use the burning bible but not very often. Smoke and fire detectors and liability issues seem to be putting an end to this fun. We will save the head chopper discussion for another time.
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Theres no smoke and fire detectors in Hell. Hope no body uses the fire effects to scare the kids. We shouldn't force people to make up their minds about where they want to spend eternity. IF people are using infernos to do that, yes people need to be scared but not to a point where they are forced make up their minds.
Plus scaring kids might influence them to persue other believes that don't have a Hell in them.
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Heat and smoke detectors are becoming more and more a city requirement in public meeting places. At least they are in southern California.

Could put a damper on your magic show if your burning bible set off the fire alarm!

(False alarms to the fire department have a big price tag associated.)

It would be an interesting final performance that people would talk about for years.
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I've never had a fire book set off a smoke alarm. You just don't keep it open that long. I doubt Flash Paper would do it either. In fact this Yuletide I was at a wedding where the Bride and Groom were presented with a Comedia del Arte production in which a sparkler was lit (as the fuse of a bomb) and even that didn't set off the fire alarm even though they were standing right underneath the smoke detector.
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I use flash paper in virtually every show I do and it's never caused an alarm to go off. I agree with Payne that if you use a burning book effect you need to close the book before smoke starts to rise. It's the smoke, not the flame that causes the alarm to go off.

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I used the flash string to produce a silk, flash paper for many things but I loved to throw a fireball with a message falling out of it. It's not just the smoke detectors, it is also the concern that the children will copy you. Because the children see me all the time, they have a level of comfort and feel it I do it, they can. A visiting magician has a mystic about them that doesn't foster this. Unfortunately the room I teach in has nine foot ceiling ant the fire detector is right above me. Hopefully we will move our children's church into a bigger room next year and I will use some of the stuff I used in the past.
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I no longer use fire or flash items in my show.

One of the things that influenced my decision, was many years ago, when I accidently set of a smoke detector at a After-School Care Centre, just by using my flash wand in a normal way. The fire trucks responded to the alarm. The customer was forgiving, but I learned a lesson.

One alternative idea to using a flash wand, etc. is to use a confetti wand or just use hand-held throw streamers.

Here is my current train of thought -- there is lots of great magic out there, without having to use fire in kids or family shows.

Fire is scary to some children, regardless of whether it has a "magical" origin or not.

- Donald
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Instead of using fire, I read that Jeff Macbride suggests using something less combustive such as streamers, confetti or Kabuki streamers. It will be safer for the kids ( No telling how many kids tried to make their own Bibles burn or tried to mimic the magician in any fire act.) And you get a colorful suprise instead of heat.
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There is a new type of smoke powder available that is not classed as pyro, or so I am told. It may be safer, but it would probably still set off the smoke/fire detectors.
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Hey where can I get a burning book? I have always wanted one. I used flash paper to remove my eyebrows and a good part of my beard in front of a Sunday school class once. It was cool! but smelled horrible.
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On 2008-04-07 23:37, FriarShaun wrote:
Hey where can I get a burning book? I have always wanted one. I used flash paper to remove my eyebrows and a good part of my beard in front of a Sunday school class once. It was cool! but smelled horrible.


If yu pick up last months isue of MAKE magazine http://www.makezine.com/ it had instructions on how to build one
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Personally, I use fire in my kids show, Bang/flash wands ans flash paper, and have had no problem with smoke alarms. In one library show I didn't use it because the ceiling was quite low and the system was close, but otherwise, I say go for it.

I give a disclaimer with my shows, as far as "its natural not supernatural, some appearances of danger, don't copy it etc", and have had no negative feedback from clients for using fire and danger type tricks
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Donald Dunphy
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Randy even used fire / magic at his wedding, if I recall correctly. I don't remember the disclaimer, though. Smile Hehehe!

- Donald
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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No disclaimer there, I figured, if Cara and I were cool with it, it didn't matter... I DO keep the blade tricks away from her, in case she gets mad at me Smile
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Donald Dunphy
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No, I meant a disclaimer about getting married, not about doing tricks with fire. Smile Ha!

Just kidding!

- Donald
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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