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Dave V
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Check it out!

http://www.freemagicschool.com/magicforum

They have hundreds of poorly done "tutorials" and a "trading site" where any kid regardless of skill level or permission can sign on for free and exchange "secrets" (usually in the form of ripped DVDs and unauthorized ebooks)

If you have ever invented and marketed a trick, they probably have it there. If you find something that's yours that they're illegally posting, be sure to let the site owner know. I'm sure he'll enjoy hearing from you (or your attorney).

:hmmm:

I'd usually hesitate to "promote" a site like this because it might drive more secret seekers and leeches to it, but in this case I think the legitimate owners need to know what's going on so they can do something about it.
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I was just playing around on U tube for the first time. It's a great place for people to share ideas, but this type of things being posted can be very hurtful to the art of magic. It cheapens the art. It makes me sick to my stomach. A close friend and a local magic shop introduced me to magic. I have resorted to DVDs and have learned a great amount, but I miss the one one one shareing of ideas. I in the northern plains where rings are not organized.

I have been troubled by internet magic shops, but realize the is the new world we live in, but this wrong. It not about the money, if about protecting an art.
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It's a cultural issue more than anything else. Long before home VCRs when we were "forced" to learn magic from books or real people generous enough to spend time teaching us, (I would like to think) people had a lot more respect for the work it takes to do it well.

Now, this is not to say that there were'nt really poor magicians out there who either on purpose (trying to be cool) or just through ineptitude, tipped methods, but in general, their influence and impact was limited to people they could see face to face.

Fast forward to where we are now, with YouTube and all, and anyone, either by virtue of saying "yo, cool, I found out how this is done, now you can know too - ain't I cool? I spoiled it!" or by just doing it badly, has a massive reach which is the real issue here. People are always going to be anal orifices and try to expose for whatever reasons, but with these videos online now, this just spoils it on a much larger scale.

When I run into people who say they saw it on YouTube, or they know how it's done, or think they can figure it out, I just try to appeal to their conscience (assuming they have one) and ask why they want to spoil it for everyone. Also, I ask them if they were to meet Billy Joel, would they say that they saw someone perform song xyz better on YouTube?

Not much else we can do. It's one of those situations where if you know it's gonna happen no matter what you do, how do you accept it, embrace it and use it to your advantage....
Dave



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Dave V
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Here's an update:

After contacting the site owner (I wasn't the only one), He got tired of fighting off attorneys and cleaned up the site. He purged all references to illegal downloads, hired a site manager, and the site is back as it should be. Not much to speak of, but kids are talking among themselves, helping each other, and doing what kids do with too much free time on their hands, but no trading can be found on the site anymore. The only "tutorials" are ones the kids make themselves, which not even YouTube can prevent. I can't vouch for private message exchanges, but so far there's no mention of this happening.
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On 2008-06-18 00:45, docbarnes wrote:
I was just playing around on U tube for the first time. It's a great place for people to share ideas, but this type of things being posted can be very hurtful to the art of magic. It cheapens the art. It makes me sick to my stomach. A close friend and a local magic shop introduced me to magic. I have resorted to DVDs and have learned a great amount, but I miss the one one one shareing of ideas. I in the northern plains where rings are not organized.

I have been troubled by internet magic shops, but realize the is the new world we live in, but this wrong. It not about the money, if about protecting an art.


Hi Docbarnes.

Your thought is quite similar to the one posted by Hansel:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=40&1

I think more and more people consider Magic like an entertainment or a media rather than an art. That's why they're not respectful with the Magic tricks and their secrets.

Emeline
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On 2008-07-25 07:34, emeline wrote:
I think more and more people consider Magic like an entertainment or a media rather than an art. That's why they're not respectful with the Magic tricks and their secrets.


I would agree with you Emeline.

Unlike other artforms which rely almost solely on things that aren't really secrets, magic relies on the fact that there is something the audience doesn't know; something that IS secret. So the tantalizing 'method' in magic becomes the focal point. Unfortunately, the blood, sweat and tears that goes into a really good piece of magic falls by the wayside. It becomes "Oh...that's how it's done?! I'm not so impressed!"

The other part of it is the campy stereotype that some magicians continue to perpetuate that doesn't help either. Lay-folk see magicians that don't really elevate magic to the level of artform so they in turn don't see it as an artform.

In an age of downloading everything for free without consequence and the ability to post secrets to sites such as Youtube that secrecy has an attractive illure for some. Fortunately there are many laymen who would not go to the trouble of searching out these videos so it's bad for magic but not detrimental to the artform as a whole (and I DO believe it's an artform).

James
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