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Which double lift do you use the most for Ambitious Card Routine push over or thumb lift from rear?

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I am just now learning this routine so I am also curious about this.
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Hi guys, there are many, many threads on the ACR here, just put ACR or Ambitious Card in the search engine.
In relation to the question there many double lifts that can be used in an ACR or other routine. Do the one you are most comfortable with and that you can do convincingly. If you mean by "thumb lift from rear" that you dl using the thumb at the rear of the deck and the fingers at the front and lift the double off the deck, turning your hand to show the face and replacing on the deck (don't know a name for this), then IMHO this would be a poor technique.
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On 2008-04-24 10:08, spatlind wrote:
If you mean by "thumb lift from rear" that you dl using the thumb at the rear of the deck and the fingers at the front and lift the double off the deck, turning your hand to show the face and replacing on the deck (don't know a name for this), then IMHO this would be a poor technique.
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***, that's the one that I've been using since it's been the easiest and the most convincing so far. The cards keep coming apart on the other lifts I've tried. Practice practice practice.
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Larry Jennings Snap Double. I learned it from Daryls Ultimate Ambition DVD
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I don't perform an ACR much these days. I first learned the ACR from H. Lorayne's book "Close Up Card Magic" and used the DL described. It served me well for many years. When I acquired Paul Lepaul's book I began to use the DL (similar to the strike/hit) that he taught, which I still use today. Just as spatlind said, do the one that you are most comfortable with and that can be done convincingly and consistently. The DL is a sleight that you should not draw attention to as you execute it. Feel free to experiment and acquire more than one method.
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Spatlind

I use the thumb to lift and then get pinky break. Once have pinky break turn over the card on the deck. So I think this is not what you are talking about am I right?

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Yep, that's something different and a lot better. I'm not a huge fan of establishing the break with the RH thumb but it's just a matter of personal choice.
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Personally I sometimes do a push off double, I learned Ambitious Card from Ammar's Card Miracles, and I more or less stick to his handling. Another way which is pretty good is to count with the thumb use the pinky to get a break, then turn over.

What I do is, ask a question of the spectator before I do my double as misdirection.."Now remember that the card is on top ok?" or something relevant. Most people think it's bad manners not to look into the face of someone that is talking to them, and even if they are determined to burn your hands, they will look up long enough to acknowledge your question... Then when they look up, do your double.

Some people use fancy double lifts. I tend to be a minimalist, I shy away from moves that a regular person might not use in card handling. But that is a personal thing... Everyone has their own tastes. The most important thing is, that you feel comfortable with using it, in that you do not feel that the double will be exposed.

The less you think about fumbling the move, the more you can focus on the actual presentation and performance Smile
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Thank you everyone for all the help.
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An update. I just bought Daryl's Ambitious Card, and am practicing the Larry Jennings Snap Double. I feel this is a very deceptive move. Yes, I am practicing it constantly, and it is coming slow, But once I can perform this at speed... I think it might be what I will use most often.
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Check out Greg Wilson's Double Take DVD which is an encyclopedia of DLs. I believe use the Knock Out DL which is eliminates the need for a get ready move and once you master it, there is no chance of getting a triple lift by accident.
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I just push two out without any getready. I have done so for about a year and it isn't perfect yet. But I hope that it will be perfect in another year or so. Although I feel that it's already a DL which is quite deceptive and worth the hours put in.

For an easier approach I want to mention the strike methods. Basically do what you do from the back from the side. Well... that possibly didn't make sense. But I feel that this thread is already slipping into Secret Session territory.

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http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=2&0
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Konjurer, I will look into that. Just curious. I really like the Jennings Snap cause it looks very invisible... How deceptive is the Knock Out DL?
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The 'real' secret to the double lift or double turnover is simply to select one that you like and practice it to the exclusion of all others until you have it totally wired. There is no really compelling reason to have multiple ways to do your double. It is the type of move that one would naturally do the same every time. What most folks need is just the certainty that when they really NEED to do a double they can do it without worry that it will go awry.

That is not to say that you will not spend some time working with various lifts until you find one that suits, but once you find one you like work that one until you have a tool you can use when needed. Best,
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I've heard a lot about this trick, but have no idea what the effect is. I see lots of tricks that say, "A great way to finish any Ambitious Card Routine!" Could someone please describe the effect for me?

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Preston here are two of My favorite Performances of the Ambitious Card Routine. One is by Tommy Wonder:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrApPgoWZqE The other is Daryl's :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4iu5FMaR2o&feature=related

A new fave I ran into... By Miss Direction:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1UK_lKIVAE&feature=related

I think every card magician eventually learns a version of the ACR, makes up their own version of the ACR, or is in the process of learning, or changing, or evolving their own version of the ACR.

Well performed I think it's one of the most powerful effects in card magic. And just fun to do Smile
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Thank you Clarissa. I have dial-up so it may take a while to view these, but thanks again!
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On 2008-05-31 14:47, Brad Burt wrote:
The 'real' secret to the double lift or double turnover is simply to select one that you like and practice it to the exclusion of all others until you have it totally wired. There is no really compelling reason to have multiple ways to do your double. It is the type of move that one would naturally do the same every time. What most folks need is just the certainty that when they really NEED to do a double they can do it without worry that it will go awry.

That is not to say that you will not spend some time working with various lifts until you find one that suits, but once you find one you like work that one until you have a tool you can use when needed. Best,


I agree with Brad on this. But I will like to add. That at least for me... I am working on a DL from the Middle of the spread deck, as well as the Larry Jennings Snap DT. Aside from that one point. Yes, find one you enjoy performing because of how deceptive and natural it feels for YOU.

There are many different DL/DT's some are fancy and flourishy, Some are near invisible. It depends on the style you have or wish to portray.

If you want to be seen as a flourishy type of performer maybe that may suit you best. Just remember the Power of the DL/DT is in it's invisibility, and in it's ease of performance for YOU. So Find one you like, that fits your style, and needs, and stick with that to the exclusion of all others. The better you are at your DL/DT the better you can use it, and the easier it is to slide it past the spec.

Lastly, when you get past the 50 count, head into Secret Sessions, there is a HUGE thread about the psychology behind a good DT/DL.
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Preston, the effect is this a card is usually selected and signed. It is then put into the centre of the deck. On command it rises to and is shown on top of the deck. It is repeatedly put into the centre of the deck and rises to the top (or goes to the bottom ala Vernon) of the deck, due to it being "Ambitious". Each phase should build on the next in terms of proving etc that the card really goes in the centre. Often the effect is finished with something like a card to wallet.

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