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-The Scot- Special user 726 Posts |
The Raven isn't 'hard' to use, but it will take a lot of practice and experimentation to get the positioning of the gimmick set up 'on you'. Obviously, the more you practice, the better it looks and if you have seen David Blaine perform it, he has put in a good deal of practice - doing the effect justice. For the price, I was slightly disappointed with what I received. I knew what I was getting, but I thought it would be somehow a little different, and I thought 'I could have made this for 1/5th of the RRP'
Although I no longer perform the Raven or Raven Reel, I would say it's a good walk around trick, just as a one effect then walk away type performance. Keeping in mind it is difficult to reset in public (I could never get used to the break) and you need to know when you are doing it. So if you wanted to do The Raven to someone, you need to do it right away. Some may argue against this, but I don't like trying to fish for your loop while pattering. Just some personal thoughts on this product, -Kevin- I hope you like the effect and put in the practise needed to make it a close-up miracle. It is one of the most visual vanishes of a coin placed on the spectators hand I know of! -Kevin- |
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danielhunley Regular user Middle of No Where KY 168 Posts |
Hey, 50 bucks? You got gipped. I paid 20. Besides, don't BUY IT. It stinks!! Honestly PLEASE!!
Jack Of Hearts!
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-The Scot- Special user 726 Posts |
I was thinking $50 sounded overpriced.
Although I bought mine in the UK, I think they are around $30 mazimum from most US sites. Shop around, and look for a better price than $50! -Kevin- |
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redstreak Inner circle A.K.A David Kong 1368 Posts |
I got mine for $21 at penguinmagic. The raven is my favorite trick ever. You can do so much with it.
danielhunley, why don't you like it? can you tell me what you don't like about it? I may be able to help you. |
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flooglestreet New user New York 63 Posts |
What is 5 lb test fishline? I live in a big sport fishing area and Im told 5lb doesn't exist. They want to sell me huge reels of 4 and 6 lb test. What to get?
If ya wanna be the Top Banana, Ya gotta start at the bottom of the Bunch (Johnny Mercer)
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
You've got me! I did a search on Google for about a half-hour and all I could find is 4 and 6 lb test line also. If interested, I'll check with one of my friends who is a BIG fishing nut. If they make 5 lb test line anywhere, he'll know about it--and also if it comes in "leader" rolls instead of "line" rolls.
However, I would suspect that the "5 lb." that you are reading about is a suggestion/guide so that you don't go and get 2 lb line that would easily break or 20 lb line that is easily seen.
Magic is a vanishing Art.
This must not be Kansas anymore, Toto. Eschew obfuscation. |
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manipulator Veteran user Houston, Texas 319 Posts |
I don't like the Raven either. I don't like the set-up. It takes too much trouble.
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magic hands Regular user Long Island, NY 176 Posts |
I do the Raven and absolutely fry people.
I use the nickel and pass over it and leave the miniature dime..People swear at me after that effect. It did take a little to get the positioning correct, I also got the video which I highly recommend. Don |
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redstreak Inner circle A.K.A David Kong 1368 Posts |
I can do the setup in four seconds one-handed, it takes a little experimenting.
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gtxby33 Veteran user 347 Posts |
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On 2003-03-20 18:06, redstreak wrote: I can probably tell you why he doesn't like it. It is plain stupid and overrated by most teen "gimmick magicians". It is also going waaay overboard just to vanish a coin and unless you can give me YOUR routine with it then I will continue to belive that nobody has made one so far (The raven is hard to put into a routine). Also it requires loads of set-up just for a vanish. I mean, as other people say, the raven REALLY isn't a visual vanish. Visual is just having it vanish with no cover at all ala the striking vanish. Why use the raven when you have plenty of easier, more visual, PRACTICAL vanishes that can be routined and done in routines? The raven is plain rubbish and "punk rocker" should not have the unpleasant experience of using it. Plus he is a beginner in the art of magic, so why should he hold the burden of having to use this gimmick? Why shouldn't he buy a classic book that most "good" magician's start out with? So now my question to you, "redstreak" is why do you like it? See, not to bag on you or anything but I have seen you posting and I have noted it for a long time. You seem like the type of novice magician that still does "tricks" per se and is possibly doing magic for a "hobby". Not that any of this is bad it's just maybe you should experiemnt and try to find a job at a local restaurant after scrambling together a routine that consists of routinable tricks? -Max
white hats rule.
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redstreak Inner circle A.K.A David Kong 1368 Posts |
Max,
Are you saying that you don't think that the effect is good? Are you referring to my posts defending the raven? I do admit that I am not a pro. |
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gtxby33 Veteran user 347 Posts |
The effect is great, but it is only a "trick" therefore it can't be part of a routine, and also therefore useless to many people. It almost holds no purpose, when why and where do you perform it?
-Max
white hats rule.
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Peter Loughran V.I.P. Ontario, Canada 2683 Posts |
Whats wrong with the Raven?
I floored a guy with it moments after he explained how he saw this contratption revealed on tv. I think the raven is great. It only takes me about 2 seconds to set up. Now I use the back set up and while reaching for a pack of cards in my coat...Boom!...Im ready to go! A little misdirection goes along way. I take a card with my hand, a quater palmed with the card , show both sides of the card and I set both the coin(hidden under the card) and the card ontop of the backside of a spectators hand. The spectator will not feel the coin under the card on the back of their hand. I now place a duplicate quater ontop of the card in full view. I do the raven to vanish the coin, and because the coin is vanished ontop of the card they won't feel it leave either. Now Im clean. And I ask them to remove the card on the back of their hand, and voila there it is. The coin visibly melted through the card without me ever touching it. A great follow to my meltdown card routine and an easy introduction to a coin matrix or any other card or coin routine for that matter. Mixed with the right patter, this is a powerful illusion that is performed completely in their hand visualy, and something they will walk away talking about. I get huge impact from it. Its all in presentation. Well worth the money, and recommended. To me it's not all about whether or not you use gimmicks or sleights, its a matter of entertainment. Your audience doesn't care if you made the coin dissappear with a fancy move that you practiced for months or if you had a pull. They only care about what they saw, the entertainment. Something alot of magicians seem to forget. You have to remember who you are performing for an audience or other magicians. Unless you only perform for other magicians, then the raven is an amazing peice of magic, and when done in an entertaing presentation, you will get great reactions, simple as that. If someone tells you otherwise, then they simply have not taken the time to learn how to use the prop effectively. Get it! It's powerful magic. P.
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gtxby33 Veteran user 347 Posts |
You have to remember that the guy is just learning magic. Did YOU start out with the raven?
-Max
white hats rule.
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Peter Loughran V.I.P. Ontario, Canada 2683 Posts |
gtxby33,
You mentioned that the Raven is just a trick and has no purpose...I simply disagree. I can't stress enough that it is not the sleight or the trick that makes the magician, it is the magician that makes the slieght or the trick. This is not new news. You also mention that until you hear of a routine that uses the Raven successfully that you will continue to believe that there isn't one. You can't be serious. I have seen guys take a prop out of children's magic kit and turn it into a highly entertaining routine. Again its the performer who will take the prop and make it entertaining and use it to their advantage, NOT the other way around. As far as me starting out with the Raven, well I will say this, I bought the Raven the year it came out and not quite sure but it had to be around 10-15 years ago. So even though I had some magic exprerience going in, I was far from from being a pro. I don't think pulls are really hard to learn, they are talked about in many beginner magic books found at your local library. Infact I one of the first tricks I ever got was called Incredi-go which is a much harder pull to use, much more primitive, and I did great with it. I think I was around 10 years old using that one. The raven is way easier and much more effective. The princible of the Raven is a classic of magic and should be given the respect it deserves. P.
Brand New: - SNAKE BITE ILLUSION
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redstreak Inner circle A.K.A David Kong 1368 Posts |
how do you know that he is a beginner? and anyway, this was the first gimmick that I bought, I had only been doing magic for about one-two monthes when i first bought it.
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Tim Taylor Veteran user 1970 - 2012 375 Posts |
I actually make the coin reappear in their hands after the disappearance by cupping their hands together and letting a duplicate coin fall from the top of my head. I actually sewed a pocket in the top of my cap to help hold the coin and give you more freedom of movement. I promise you this absolutely fry's them. It also takes all the heat away from the raven if you are doing it for someone who might of seen it exposed on TV.
"Even a mosquito gets a slap on the back for a job well done" - Tim Taylor
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DaveB New user Toronto 83 Posts |
I also think the Raven is great, and it has always amazed me when I hear people saying it's hard to set up, or that it's only good for vanishing a coin. Sometimes I scratch my head thinking I must own something else! It only takes seconds to set up, and if you get the video you will see you can do a lot more then simply vanishing a coin.
You can change coins, melt a coin from the top of your hand to the bottom, vanish a cigarette, matches, dollar bill, and more. I tend to use the Raven for changes and melts compared to a simple vanish and have always had good results. Its not for every time and place, and yes it takes a little practice...but what doesn't? As I mentioned before in other threads about the Raven, I would highly suggest getting the video, especially to someone new to magic. Other then that it just takes some practice to fully realize the Raven's full potential. |
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mentalism101 Regular user NYC 105 Posts |
The Raven is an absolutely wonderful utility prop that allows for effects that simply could not be performed any other way.
A couple of British magicians have some wonderful routines with it. Check in the archive for details... |
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Dustin_The_Magic_Kid New user 38 Posts |
If you are looking for a version of the raven which is not so bulky or hard to set up, I suggest that you choose the bat. IT is only about 35 dollar CDN, and you get the effect of the raven as well as some very powerful phsyic effects. The raven is not a bad effect, however, like previously said it does take alot of fumbling around to reset and the break leaves much to be desired.
I would definatly reccomend the bat or the M5 (a little dangerous for a begginner) if your looking for an easy raven fix.
It's like that? I guess it's like that! OH YEAH!!! YEAH!! - wait, what are we talking about?
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