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Kyle^Ravin
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Heya guys...I was jus reading a post on someone receiving a couple of invisible dove harnesses from ebay and looks like he's really happy. But one word in his post sparked off a question in my head. Many magicians sell their invisible dove harnesses and most, if not all of them claim their harnesses are the safest. I would describe the standard invisible harness as a neck strapped bra. Others, like tony clark, have harnesses that look like safety harnesses. Greg frewin only uses a strip of ribbon. SO, what sets the standard of a safe harness? What makes a good harness?
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The reason I still don't use invisible harnesses after 46 years in magic is because I don't believe that one exists! If the dove can raise its wings, you can break them!

The only excuse I can accept for using an invisible harness is in conjunction with a good harness. After the production, the invisible harness can be used to hold a flighty bird down. Outdoors, I might be willing to accept that.

Otherwise, I see using invisible harnesses as less than responsible. Practice and skill will beat the risks of harm caused by invisible harnesses every time. Save your money. They are on eBay for a reason.

When I produce a dove, there is absolutely nothing on him/her! It's safer.

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Kyle^Ravin
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You have a valid point Bob. But we all have a stly we want to suit to... and IH productions can be much more amazing when performed right...but still...what makes a good IH??
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Kyle,

The safest invisible harnesses are from Tony Clark and Ice McDonald. Their harnesses pull the bird from their whole body rather than just the chest. Ice McDonalds was developed or consulted by a vet. I have no idea about Tony's. Get both.

The thing that makes them safe is training the doves and getting them used to the IH. BUT most importantly the doves have to trust you and you have to treat them well.

Also you have to train yourself. I used to put socks in dove bags and invisible harnesses so I knew the correct amount of pull.

Eventually I put the IH on the doves and let them get used to them on their bodies. Some of my doves nowadays even lift their wings themselves so I can put on the IH. With enough patience, COMMON SENSE you will see progress. The next step would be to place them in dove pokets with the IH on.

Some additional tips I can give you are:

Once the dove gets used to the IH, pratice pulling the loop in slow motion from hand to hand.

Don't force the dove, I have one dove that flat out does not like the IH. I have one that tries to put on the IH himself. Weird.

Pratice with a sock. Go buys socks. Pratice in slow motion.

The IH training time will differ from dove to dove. The doves will eventually learn.

Don't leave the IH on the bird for days like Tony Clark mentions in his video.

Good luck,

G0THIKE
Kyle^Ravin
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Honestly... I find I can never get Tony C's harnesses to fit my doves. It just seems to be too loose.
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I've had the other problem... My Tony Clark harnesses can be too small. Maybe I have FAT doves?? LOL!!!
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I don't like the Tony harness because the feet always get caught. When Tony gave me some 15 years ago. I tried them but when the feet kept getting caught all the time it just made me throw them away. Nice idea from Tony though.

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So far the ones I have tried the feet getting caught is a problem. I know that many people use an IH but I have not found one that works to my satisfaction.

Have not tried Ice McDonald's. Is it like Tony's in some fashion as Tony's has a feet catching problem?
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I believe Ice McDonald's are not shaped like Tony Clark's. Ice's are shaped like the style used by James Rainho and Andy Amyx (among others), but with an addition that supports the bird's body even more, and is supposed to be the part responsible for pulling the bird "by it's whole body" rather than just the torso.
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If you catch my silk and dove magic lecture sometime, you'll see how important dove feet are to effective dove magic.

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Peeps,

I personally feel Ice's IH is safer than Tony's. His products are available from

http://www.dennymagic.com

http://www.dennymagic.com/cgi-bin/hazel.......m=003555

G0THIKE
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Dove's need to be trained with the harness so they can get use to it, that will avoid their feet gripping the harness etc. Some doves are almost imediately comfotable with a harness and others not. It takes time and patience. I have always used Tony Clarks harnesses and got used to them and haven't even tried others,I would say they are pretty safe if handled correctly!
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HAHA...looks like we either have doves of many different sizes, OR Harnesses of many different Sizes...honestly...I followed the exact instructions on Tony's Dvd and my doves actually kinda hate the harness... no matter how long its on them. Well...I guess they're jus used to the classic bra type harnesses...
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I have the drawing & instruction of Ice Mcdonald, a great doveworker.

But persoanlly view, it is more like an X shape on the front & back....like an figure 8...a little complex...Tony's one is a better choice in term of safety.

Like what Swann101 mentioned, Dove NEEDS to be trained with ANY harness so they can get use to it...a nervous or a bored dove can have their feet gripping ON ANY harness.

Most of the design is based from Jim Rainho's ORIGINAL design, BUT for some reason, personally view...the front ribbon is a little big for all sort of doves....there are still many good one out there...tryone & get your dove to get use to it...if not move on to another...hope this helps Smile
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