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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I guess my point is that if you find out corporate is not the issue you have found your issue, it is the manager. Why make a pest of yourself?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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derrick Inner circle I dug holes for 1044 Posts |
I agree too.
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RicHeka Inner circle 3999 Posts |
Please...may I chime in?
In my experience the GM rules..it's his decision[at least with franchises]It is akin to his own little business...overseen by an Area director/manager who reports to Corp. If you think you can go to Corp. and influence the decision of a Gen. Mgr. fuggedaboutit! Gen.Mgrs are under an enormous amount of pressure to produce results to satisfy the quotas of the Area director/mgr. who in turn must produce results that the Corporate Offices are looking for. If you ever wonder why General Manager's seem a little strange or look like they are off in another world...remember the word...STRESS! I would have to be paid a substantial amount of compensation to take that job. Rich |
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dylan magic Elite user 424 Posts |
Hey guys, many apologies I am late jumping back in here, been out of town.
steven: I'm fine thanks and thanks for your advice.humouring their "good judgement" sounds like a fine idea..pmd you. dannydoyle: hey, to be blunt you could be right, but thierein lies another issue of approaching the next step. do you go back and face the possibility of belittleing the manager?..i doubt it!!, that's NO way to get the job. I can accept a brush off, but it makes it worse is when theres a great establishment that you would love to work for.. lyle magic: I agree, and like I said the places are duly researched but there seems to be (in the uk anyway) a real pass the buck attitude between franchises/ branches and the head offices, as to who gets the decision. I actually think the managers don't know enough about their responsibilities on subjects like this. (which is fair enough to an extent as they have a lot else to deal with). thanks for your help guys, much food for thought, ultimately I don't want to pester anyone, but it seems such a shame to let a good establishment go as it were. d. |
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aiki Regular user Middletown NY 181 Posts |
Dylan,
Here is how I would handle it (which does not mean it is the way to do it). Go to the GM and tell them that you took their advice and contacted corporate and corporate said that in this situation they would like the GM to make the final decision. They feel that GM would be the best judge of what will work in the restaurant. Then offer the GM a free hour of table hopping with their customers so that the GM can see how their customers and staff respond to the performances. I would emphasize that this would help show how much the restaurants customers will enjoy the entertainment and this would help the GM in making a decision if you would work out for the restaurant. Good luck!
Ray K.
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
I'd just move on and look for a gig, elsewhere. When you get another gig, send a post card to the GM of the restaurant that gave you the brush-off, telling him where you're performing. He'll know that there's another restaurant that has a competitive advantage over the one that he manages.
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JamesinLA Inner circle Los Angeles 3400 Posts |
Yeah, I mean you can handle it in a smooth way. When you're selling someone, you are often getting excuses from people. That's all this guy is doing. So maybe he's certain he doesn't want it but maybe he can be convinced. So give it a try. That's what leadership is: you bring someone along, teach them something new, convince them that you are right and help them change their mind. As a salesperson you are a leader. It all depends how good a sales pitch he hears and if he is open at all to hearing it.
Jim
Oh, my friend we're older but no wiser, for in our hearts the dreams are still the same...
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
James man you are not right on what sales is.
Sales 101 find a need and fill the need. You are not a leader, you are a chameleon. You are different things to different people. Walk into an alpha dog's lair and try to "lead" him and you will be thrown out by the scruff of your neck (Figurativly). This person needs SOMEONE TO LEAD, not to be taken along anywhere. In all honesty, MOST people in the position of a GM are NOT going to be taken anywhere they already don't think they want to go. Often you are better off convincing them that the idea was theirs in the first place. These people do NOT want to be taught. It is a classic mistake most guys make. Not knowing who they are selling to. Alan is dead on right. Let him know how well it is working where you are and he will perk up if he wants it. He will come to the conclusion on his own. (Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still.) Another problem is that when convinced of something, people are often looking just to affirm their first answer. Looking for a reason to boot you out. NOT an effective business relationship if you ask me. I personally would move on. PLENTY of places you would like to work will not use you. Life moves along.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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JamesinLA Inner circle Los Angeles 3400 Posts |
Hey, Danny, I did not say anything about what method you use to lead. Letting him think it's his idea is a great method to lead someone and close a sale. Women use this method all the time with men. And pointing out to him that you are making it work somewhere else is just another way to sell the guy. Or don't. But the poster says it's a great place. Sometimes converts turn out to be the most ardent supporters.
Jim
Oh, my friend we're older but no wiser, for in our hearts the dreams are still the same...
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dylan magic Elite user 424 Posts |
Thanks guys..in retrospect I may re-approach in a month or so.and take the approach aiki set out..
you other guys are right though move on..not the end of the world, at least you guys in the states seem to have managers who know their stuff better.. p.s alan.love it..maybe ill send him tie...lol thanks again guys. d. |
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aiki Regular user Middletown NY 181 Posts |
Dylan,
If you wait for a month it will be too late. You need to do it within the next week or the manager will of forgotten you and what they told you. You are trying to get them to give you an opportunity to show your talents to their customers while they watch. This can only be done while the manager still remembers what they told you and that you took the time to talk with corporate. If they did blow you off the first time, they may be impress enough that you approached corporate and have now come back to the restaurant to at least let you do a free hour. This will only work if you do not let to much time pass. Remember the manager knows how long it would take corporate to respond to you. If you wait to long to talk to the manager then the manager is going to figure you are not serious and not give any type of chance of working there. You have already taken the toughest step and that was the initial contact with the manager.
Ray K.
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