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WolfGod Regular user 112 Posts |
Looking back through this thread brings a smile to my face. Some reasonable people who know how marketing works and make informed decisions. A few emo whiners getting their knickers in a twist. And a lot of attacks on the site that sound like playground taunts. Ironic considering how often those people whine and cry about how immature the E forums are.
And of course mention of Jamy Ian Swiss's tirade. Still, it's good to see there are more magicians than I thought with their heads on straight. The others probably have no desire to hear the opposing viewpoint at all, but I'll take a crack at a couple of fallacies anyway. The first one is the complaints about the DVDs. There's a lot of complaint toward Brad Christian, but R. Shane would argue that the fault lies with the consumer more than anything else. And I personally argue that it's disingenuous to blame the publishers, but not take the creator to task for agreeing to produce the material in the first place. You hear that? I love the grinding screech of cognitive dissonance. The second fallacy is the rotation in the roster of E artists. Whenever one stops working with the company, the critics start forecasting the end of the company and gleefully rubbing their hands together like villains from Captain Planet. To this day, only Daniel Garcia and the Bucks have permanently severed any ties to E. With the Bucks, both they and E said it was over a contract issue and neither one has spoken about it since then. Wayne Houchin left to form Theory 11 out of a desire to pursue a different creative agenda. Seems odd to me since T11 is almost a carbon copy of Ellusionist. Nathan Kranzo had an argument with them in the past over the Loops trilogy, but since I saw him there myself not too long ago, they seemed to have kissed and made up. Justin Miller doesn't perform live anymore. I think he found Jesus or something, I don't know. I'm kind of fuzzy on the details. He's self-publishing a few products and going on lecture tours, but that's about it these days. I think that covers it. Did I miss anyone? All that said, the stuff E makes is not for everyone. If you like it, buy it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Drama over. And of course they're doing a great job on marketing. In hindsight Celebracadabra did energize the magic community because it did one important thing: it got you all talking. People either loved it or hated it, but boy did they talk about it! I look back on the tooth-and-nail fights over what amounted to a one-off reality TV show and a single thought goes through my head: Dance puppets, dance! |
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts |
Purchased one DVD from them and never received an email confirmation. Emailed them and they finally sent one. (Trying to keep this short)
Registered as a member for their forum...no email confirmation so, I never got on and after looking at it more closely I more than likely would not have poster there anyway. Kids after a quick fix and YouTube adulation. Got on another similar forum site which I'll not mention and within three days almost got banned for chastising some prebuescent child for his moronic text message style of posting and the same kind of mind set. Lern triks frum utube an den post dem an den I becum a magican tu! God Almighty! This YouTube and posting how tricks are done has to come to some kind of stop! It's just a shame when I see some magic shop that uses YouTube as their vehicle for posting promotional demo's of their products. That certainly is not helping the cause any! Sorry for my rant but it just raises my hackles and at my age their becoming rather thin and tired! ~gaffed~
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
~Yogi Berra~ "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." ~St. Thomas Aquinas~ Twitter – "A means of proving how pathetic and lonely you are in 140 characters or less." ~Anonymous~ |
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WolfGod Regular user 112 Posts |
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On 2008-10-15 00:12, gaffed wrote:It's just a shame when I see some magic shop that uses YouTube as their vehicle for posting promotional demo's of their products. Why? YouTube is just another avenue of getting attention. And I would think that's something a business would want to do. |
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shortdog New user Ft. Bragg 64 Posts |
What I think about "E"...
I like a lot of the material they put out. Most of it is recycled magic and given a new flashier appearance. If it were not for E I would probably not be in magic right now. I LOVE the work they put into their DVDs. I HATE seeing some magician in his basement with a blue cloth draped over some curtain rods instead of having a stage. Even if the material is decent, It's hard to take them seriously if you can see a stain in the stage material that is probably from his kids 3 years ago. I believe that E is doing good things. They have good material for novices and its packaged in an exciting way. Once they get their hands dirty, they usually break away from E and find more reputable material. Like me.
-Daniel McGuinny
How do you get a magician to show you 100 tricks? Ask him to show you one! |
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Tim Jahn Special user South Florida 911 Posts |
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On 2008-10-15 11:00, WolfGod wrote: Hmmmmmm... 25 posts and all you seem to be able to talk about is E.... Weird. Garcia said it all. End of story. Brad even helped him out by posting on the café. Pretty funny stuff. Made himself look like a dummy. I can only assume that you and he are related somehow. I'm doing a nice two step now.
Andrew, (ASW)
The effects on the DVD and lecture notes are far beyond your abilities. (They require mastery of the mechanic's grip.) It would only break your heart. Sincerely, Darwin Ortiz.......(This post has got to be in my top 5.) |
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WolfGod Regular user 112 Posts |
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On 2008-10-27 00:46, Tim Jahn wrote: Try heading over to the bizarrist forum and get a clue. If you can't be bothered to look at my posting history overall before coming to asinine conclusions, then you shouldn't open your mouth at all. Quote:
Garcia said it all. End of story. I wasn't talking specifically about Garcia. I was clearing up the misconceptions people have about the other artists. Which tells me you're projecting harder than a drive-in theater. Quote:
I can only assume that you and he are related somehow. You know what they say about assuming. As to your theory I will say this. The accusation might carry more weight... were it not for the fact that some pre-adolescent kid on a music forum used the same type of attack to try and flame me because I said I liked Nightwish's new singer. I find it funny that I make an argument and the first thing you do is attack my character through implication and suggestions. There's no reason at all to do such a thing unless there's a doubt in the back of your mind that my words are picking at and you just can't seem to make it go away. You may even perceive me as a threat to your delicate worldview. Or perhaps I'm just talking out of my ass and people here at the Café are just reactionary and hostile toward conflicting opinions in general. So which is it? |
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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts |
Wow, you got problems over here to?(lol) That's too funny. Now I understand where you're coming from WolfGod. You're just grumpy and bitter, and a valiant protector of E's poor reputation. Peace!
"If you're going to walk in the rain, don't complain about getting wet!"
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WolfGod Regular user 112 Posts |
Christians like you are actually why I'm an atheist.
And magicians like you are why I act the way I do around other magicians. I was happy to get into this art until I saw how ugly the community really is. |
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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts |
Take this as you will WolfGod but it sounds like your problem is more with this site and it's members than just with me. Like I said, your problem runs deeper than always feeling like you are being attacked here at the Café. If someone disagree's with you, or refuses to see your point, you immediately resort to insults and personal attacks. (By the way flaming isn't nice)I've not made one personal attack on you personally except having fun watching you get so upset so easily. I've tried to make light of some of your more insulting comments else where but you seem very adament about putting people down. That's too bad, reading some of your more gentler posts, it would seem that underneath all that you are a real good guy. As an E Mod would say, "Chill out man, no need to get all serious dude."(lol):)
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WolfGod Regular user 112 Posts |
I was mostly talking about you because you're convenient at the time. You say you haven't attacked, but I find the condescension in your attitude toward me to be offensive. I always have my friends put me in my place when I've over-stepped my bounds, but that doesn't mean I want to be patronized by strangers.
To be perfectly frank, there was a point when I was thrilled to be joining the magic community. I was going to talk with other artists, advance my understanding, and eventually I could pass on what I had learned to others. What I got was a lot different. Some seemed to take my naivete as a personal insult. Questions I asked that I regard as obvious now were sometimes met with attacks and hostility. I tried to maintain my optimism and be nice to people, but I just got taken advantage of. I was pushed around even more. Whenever I disagreed with a bigger, veteran name because of an experience of mine, I was treated with suspicion. Eventually I came to see the magic community as ugly, paranoid, and crude. Only the bizarre magic circles gave me a different experience, likely because our numbers are so few that we can't afford to let squabbling and politics get in the way of our work and art. We have to help each other. Ever since day one, The Café has done little to change my mind about these things. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to stand up for myself and what I believe in. |
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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts |
Great, but you should really stop flaming the Café in your posts, especially in some of your other posts in other threads. Hate me if you will, but the Café you keep putting down is exactly where you are right now.
"If you're going to walk in the rain, don't complain about getting wet!"
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WolfGod Regular user 112 Posts |
I seek out that which offends me so that I can prevent myself from becoming mentally stagnant.
But the real reason I stick around is for The Cellar. I got a better greeting there than anyone else around here has ever given me no matter how I was acting. |
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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts |
Here's a little tidbit I discovered about Brad's pass and other card moves. For anyone who owns Ninja 1 or any card trick DVD with Brad, you will notice if you look closely, that he uses a Bridge deck. I'm not saying anything is wrong with that, but when I used a Bridge deck to perform a pass...sweeeet!:) Only problem is that I use regular decks. So, I'll have to continue to rely on misdirection.
"If you're going to walk in the rain, don't complain about getting wet!"
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3526 Posts |
A sissy bridge deck? Oh SNAP!
*due to the editorial policies here, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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Domino Magic Special user 999 Posts |
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On 2008-11-25 00:10, Gospel Dan wrote: I think what you meant to say is that you use poker decks. A bridge deck, like a poker deck IS a regular deck. However attacking someone's pass technique just because they use a bridge deck is just being petty (especially for a youth pastor). |
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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts |
Actually I meant a regular deck, as in the kind of deck that most have hanging around the house, not a smaller deck. Are you trying to start a fight by bringing my faith into it? That's being petty. I did say that I found nothing wrong with using a smaller bridge deck. My point was....ahh forget it. Most here know what I'm talking about.
Posted: Nov 26, 2008 3:51pm I will also add that I'm getting tiresome with ignorants who are too weak to come up with something more than trying to attack my faith. For a guy who posted pointless posts to get his 50 post so he can sell a bunch of stuff here on the Café', and still hides behind rabbit ears after a year of being a member, I suppose I'm better off just ignoring.
"If you're going to walk in the rain, don't complain about getting wet!"
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Tim Jahn Special user South Florida 911 Posts |
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On 2008-11-01 01:39, WolfGod wrote: Which is it? That's easy. Your talking out of your ass.
Andrew, (ASW)
The effects on the DVD and lecture notes are far beyond your abilities. (They require mastery of the mechanic's grip.) It would only break your heart. Sincerely, Darwin Ortiz.......(This post has got to be in my top 5.) |
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WolfGod Regular user 112 Posts |
So I was was talking out of my ass and you are just reactionary and hostile (and a little slow on the draw as well, it would seem)? I can't believe you just walked into that.
You have a brain in your head for a reason, kid. Use it or lose it. |
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MikeyM71 Regular user Chesapeake, OH 153 Posts |
I'm going to make an attempt to get back on track here. There are a few things I like about E, and there are a few things I don't like. Some of their tricks that they sell as single effects should be left in some lecture notes, (i.e. factory sealed). While others like Crash Course are fairly legit. That's just my opinion though.
<BR>Mikey M.
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Tim Jahn Special user South Florida 911 Posts |
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On 2008-11-27 11:25, WolfGod wrote: Yes... I'm reactionary and hostile. You got it. And it sure took you long enough. Does that make you any less of a dick? Nope. Are you going to stop talking out of your ass anytime soon? It sure doesn't look like it. If I have my choice between "Reactionary and Hostile" And being a small, petty, no nothing like you? I'll take reactionary and hostile thank you very much. BTW, The use it or lose it rule DEFINATLY applys to you as well. Now.... Don't mommy and daddy need to use the computer too? Maybe you should move over and watch the adults for awhile.
Andrew, (ASW)
The effects on the DVD and lecture notes are far beyond your abilities. (They require mastery of the mechanic's grip.) It would only break your heart. Sincerely, Darwin Ortiz.......(This post has got to be in my top 5.) |
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