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Nate Green
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This routine is truly inspiring both from a magician's point of view as well as that of a craftsman. Tommy was an expert at both!
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Hi, Anyone know how to make that falling stool?
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On 2011-04-29 05:05, sherifmayika wrote:
Hi, Anyone know how to make that falling stool?


That is an Anverdi electronic product. You might check the book published about his products. I do not have it, but that may be a place to start. His products use to cost hundreds of dollars, so that would translate to thousand of dollars in todays currencies.
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Just make an easy breakaway type of table with fishing line and a stage assistant pulling the line from the wings.
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Wmhegbli,

Thanks for the mention on Anverdi. Did he explain this in his books?

Swann, good point, but electronics would be more controllable.
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Let's wake a dead thread -- anyone know where to get the clock??
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If you can Do-It-Yourself, here's one of the ingredients needed. The other can be found on any old round clock.
http://www.specialtybottle.com/screwtoptincontainersmi.aspx
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On 2011-11-26 17:10, Alym Amlani wrote:
Let's wake a dead thread -- anyone know where to get the clock??


The old looking alarm clocks can be purchased at the Dollar General Stores in the USA. Don't know what or if Canada has for discount stores. Just check out the clock section of your stores.

Just did a serch on Google for Double Bell Clock and found lots of offerings.
http://www.target.com/p/Double-Bell-Alar......10661792
or
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004ZKXY7C/ref=......04ZKXY7C

Don't want the double bell, then try this.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0045C7X0E/ref=......045C7X0E

A lot of companies made these clocks, Wesclock, Elgin, Sharp, etc., you should not have any problem finding a clock to use.
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"That is an Anverdi electronic product. You might check the book published about his products. I do not have it, but that may be a place to start. His products use to cost hundreds of dollars, so that would translate to thousand of dollars in todays currencies."

Anverdi never build a Falling stool, he did build a walking table maybe that's what you have in mind!

Mephisto magic (Belgium) sells a RC falling stool

Tommy used a simular method to what Swann101 suggested.
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On 2011-11-27 09:17, tristanmagic wrote:
"That is an Anverdi electronic product. You might check the book published about his products. I do not have it, but that may be a place to start. His products use to cost hundreds of dollars, so that would translate to thousand of dollars in todays currencies."

Anverdi never build a Falling stool, he did build a walking table maybe that's what you have in mind!

Mephisto magic (Belgium) sells a RC falling stool

Tommy used a simular method to what Swann101 suggested.


You are probably correct, I just made that assumption, when I watched the table move on the Wonder video. It looked very much like the Anverdi model I have seen.

I really did not get that whole reasoning for the vanish of a watch in the video, and the use of the table and brooming it off. Just to much work for a single person act to go with for the trick IMO.
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This is result of two years of my life.
I built it with my own hands piece by piece and it works just like in the L&L dvds.Like a real charm...

Click here to view attached image.
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Here´s another picture with the alarm clock.
No exposure at all.
You all know the effect and how it works

Click here to view attached image.
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Wow, kiketron...that is awesome. This is like the holy grail of Nest of Boxes. Fantastic job!!! Hopefully, you found the time you put in to be worth it.
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Thanks a lot Wizard
It worths the effort since it was a very difficult project to build

The cloth is different as I couldn´t find a matching one, but the rest of the table and workings are identical to the ones you find at the L&L publishing Dvds/Books of Wonder
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Congratulations for the passion to build this!

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I built a version three and have been using it in my shows for the past few years. I now need to raise some funds for another project so was thinking of selling it.

It is a genuine one off sale so I guess I am well within my rights to sell it but I was wondering what kind of price I might get for something like this? It has some wear and tear as you would expect from something used in performance regularly but it still works just fine and is nothing a bit of TLC wouldn't bring up to "as new'.
Any ideas?
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On 2012-01-18 10:36, matthew wright wrote:
I built a version three and have been using it in my shows for the past few years. I now need to raise some funds for another project so was thinking of selling it.

It is a genuine one off sale so I guess I am well within my rights to sell it but I was wondering what kind of price I might get for something like this? It has some wear and tear as you would expect from something used in performance regularly but it still works just fine and is nothing a bit of TLC wouldn't bring up to "as new'.
Any ideas?


That is a hard question to answer, as you are trying to sell a home made version of the original. The only versions of real value would be one made by Tommy Wonder himself. I don't recognize your name as a master craftsman as well, and you did not even post a picture here in the forum. So we have really have nothing to go on, except a person in cyberland saying he built a working version of the original.

If I take the concept of making your own tricks from a book and DVD properly, then you will also have to sell it with the set of books and the DVD, like many of the illusions that are home built. Owning the book and DVD gives permission to use the prop. In most cases, it does not give you authority to sell an unauthorized copy though. I believe you will have to get permission from the late Tommy Wonder family estate to sell an unauthorized copy of his genius.

To comment on your other comments, why don't you clean it up, as doing so will give you best possible reasons for someone to buy it. Most magicians today, do not want to buy something and have to return it to good condition. Not everyone is craftsman, and thus you are looking for less people interested in owning your model.

The reasons most of the people who build their own versions is two fold. Some enjoy a challenge to see if it is possible to build such a complicated device. Others do it because they cannot afford the huge price, or simply do not want to pay the huge price, a device of this nature would cost on the retail market. Everything for sale must have a value point, and that value point to each individual person is different for them. I think this trick would cost over $2500 if it was made by a craftsman and authorized. If it was on the open market, it would be even higher prices because the dealers that handle it would have to get their profit for handling it.

I once inquired to Tommy Wonder about his Vanishing Bird Cage, and it was $1500 and that did not include an additional piece he used to cause the cage to vanish.

So what is your version worth, add up the materials you have in it, and that is what it is worth. Maybe $200.00 for the Base, tabletop, wood, metal, and everything is well used as you mentioned.
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I thought about doing it up before selling but I think it is much more controversial.
My take on it was that if I am selling my own used second hand prop I would be well within my rights to do so. If I start doing it up and selling it "as new" then it is on much less safe ground with regards to needing permission from the estate etc.
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Give two prices; #1 "as is" from the photos (post some), and #2 "repainted" or "touched up" to "look like it did when it was new." Let the purchaser decide. Don't discuss what you do openly, but only with the potential purchaser. PM me your quote for #1.
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On 2012-01-18 11:33, matthew wright wrote:
I thought about doing it up before selling but I think it is much more controversial.
My take on it was that if I am selling my own used second hand prop I would be well within my rights to do so. If I start doing it up and selling it "as new" then it is on much less safe ground with regards to needing permission from the estate etc.


Returning a home made magic piece to new condition is not controversial. What is controversial is you selling a piece you have no right to sell. The items in the books are discribed so they can be made by those that want to own or use them, not to be selling the items for a profit. If you no longer which to possess your creation, then it should be destroyed, not sold.

As someone will eventually come on the Café and say they found this box thing that sets on a table with all kinds of working in it. Who made it and what is it worth, so I can sell it, as I have no interest in using it.

So please inscribe your name on the trick, and say it is a personal creation you made.
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