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graywolf
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Having extensively studied Fred Kaps(Bram Brongers} he never used hinged or nested candles.He did use a silk through flame model.Ger Copper has a fantastic manip candle act and won FISM with it...Cordially,Howard
Pete Biro
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There was a hinged set (2 sets, one left one right) made by George Hammerton, sold by Harry Stanley's Unique Studio in London, of CIGARETTE LIGHTERS. I kick myself daily for having sold them.
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Harry Murphy
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Pete, I have a set in my collection some where. I haven't used them in a decade or two. Now that you have teased my memory I'll have to go digging for them.
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Bill Hegbli
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Fred Kaps used fake candles that he produced from his pocket. I have an early video of his act, before the large coin production. It looked like he used stick with a lighter in the end as you could tell the striking action. He produced the candle from behind his diminishing bills.

I have the multiplying lighters, being they do not have a cap, I never thought they would be recognized by an audience as lighers.

Pete, that is how it always is, as soon as you get rid of something, that is when you need it.
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Anything I got you want to trade for the lighters?
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Hey eddiekap, I highlly recomend that you try Black Hole (Peter Loughran´s) to load and vanish the candles. There is just something you should take care but is very easy to think about.
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Is there still a demo video of this anywhere, I am interested in the effect.
Thanks!
Levent
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Dear “Graywolf”,

“Illusions & Reality” is correct when he states that Fred Kaps had used the Loyd’s multiplying candles.

For instance in his performance on the Ed Sullivan’s “Toast of the Town” show (April 15, 1956), Fred Kaps did a manipulation act in which he opened with the rabbit from cane trick, and then followed with card manipulations after which he performed the Loyd’s multiplying candles. For the finale of his act he lit a small (four candle) candelabra, which he transformed into a large white silk (using Channing Pollack’s method of changing a dove to silk). To me the most notable thing about this early version of Kap’s act was that as a running gag, he produced appearing canes all throughout and he acted just as surprised as the audience when they popped into view.

Later with the assistance of his manager Henk Vermeyden he made the following changes: He dropped the rabbit from cane and the Loyd's candles and candelabra to silk trick. Also he manipulated paper money instead of playing cards (in the manner of Faucett Ross). And he added, jumbo coin manipulations, Dai Vernon’s Coins & Silk routine, Colombi & Avendano’s “The Phantom Flame” (candle flame thru silk), Bobby Baxter’s “Vanishing Cane in Newspaper”, Ade Duval’s “Invisible Pipe” (smoking the thumb) and he closed his act with Roy Benson’s “Comedy Long Pour Salt Trick Finale”. And for the running gag, he substituted lit candles for the appearing canes and the rest as they say is history.

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Levent
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Levent,

Great to see you and your input! Thanks for that story on Fred Kaps. Would of loved to see his performances. So the stories and video footage are always exciting.

By the way, I use your silk production within my candle productions with sweet delight. It amazes me every time. That silk production is just awesome. I saw Joseph Gabriel use it as well and looks like real magic. Thanks for your help!
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OH MY GOD! I NEARLY PASSED OUT!

Let me explain. I recently received my set of Owen Multiplying candles. When I opened the box to inspect the pieces I nearly passed out with joy! I mean almost out cold! Ugh...I'm getting dizzy now just telling the story - nearly passed out I tell ya! Similar to the Lloyd style candles but better with a couple of improvements only found in this set and oh so goooooooood! I almost can't stand it! In the hands of a skilled manipulator (they do require practice) they will delight an audience not to mention those of us, who for years, tortured ourselves with other sets.

If you currently use the Indian or other set of hinged candles and forever plan on using multiplying candles, then the Owen set will make you very happy!

Oh my God! I nearly passed out just now while thinking about this set. I'm so delighted with this set that there's no words to describe my satisfaction and excitement. Really glad and proud to work with these. I might even name each of them. And you think I'm kiddin' don't you?

Oh I'm getting dizzy again just trying to describe how wonderful, scrumptous, and magnificus they are!!!

I used the set of four hinged 'el cheapo's for years but THIS is GREAT! The size, weight, and craftsmanship in the Owen set of candles is unreal. Well their enclosed letter says it best:

"You are now in possession of the finest quality multiplying candles ever manufactured".

This set compliments my manipulation act which I recently re-vamped. Trust me on this, the price isn't high enough for this set even at the current cost. Just don't tell them. I thought the current price on the set was high but owning a set now, I'd pay more for them one way or another.

This set is so *** good, that like several of my manipulation act pieces, this set also gets it's own custom made storage case. That's right, these are so special that they reside in their own wooden case within my ATA case.

In short, I know when we die, we take nothing with us, but I want to be buried with these in my right pocket. I'll work out a deal with St. Peter as I WILL take these with me. I currently own a lot of magic, have in years past, purchased good quality effects and equipment, some junk (haven't we all fallen for that) and have never had this much GOOD to say about any of it until now.

There I'm happy.

Oh these are greeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaat!
The Cardfather
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An empty 35mm film canister works for a holder. Safety pin strapped to side of canister with black duct tape...
Larry Stangel
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Randy,

Your praise of the Owen Candles has renewed my interest in obtaining a set. How does one go about obtaining them? I've sent two emails to Owen Magic Supreme inquiring about a purchase and get no response.

Larry
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Bill Hegbli
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When I emailed Owen Magic they insisted on sending a self-addressed stamed envelope for their price list. They told me they do not want to email the list or prices over the internet.

So if you are really serious about buying from Owen Magic you should call them and place an order by telephone. This does not mean they have any on hand or can make them upon you placing the order. I have waited over 3 months for an item from them if it is not in stock.

Magic is not their main product, they do custom work for the film and television industry. I do not have the new price list in front of me, but if memory serves me correctly, it is in the $400 range.
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I believe Owen's has been very very busy with orders. I heard this from a friend of mine.

I would call them on the phone and see if it is in stock and go from there. Alan will tell you if they have them or not.

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Thanks for the replys! I'll try the telephone.
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DJ Trix
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I have a quick question,

For a long time I have wanted to add the multiplying candles to my act. When I first started working with manipulation I practiced with the fantasio candles but realised they wernt for me and I didn't like how many people worked with them (it is also pretty much impossible to work these things like lance). So now I am going to order the Owen multiplying candles. But looking at my act I have yet to figure out a reason why I am going to produce candles. I was thinking maybe the one of the lights in the theatre will go out and I will then produce the first one.

My question is, and you may not have a answer at all, but why do you produce the candles in your act, does anyone have any good ideas that make the production meaningful? I would like to have a reason for these little candles to be produced in my hands and I am stuck. Any ideas?

Thank in advance, maybe I should start a new thread?

DJ
Bill Hegbli
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THe reason I do the multiplying candles is because I am a magician and I want to produce them magically for my audience. They enjoy and give very good reaction to the production. That is all the reason I need.

Fred Kaps act used coins bills, candles, long salt pour and smoking a thumb, he did not need a reason to become a 3 time winner of FISM, making hime a world class manipulator and magician.

I am sure you can tell the stage manager to turn the stage lights off so you have a reason to produce a candle, but why. If he forgets or does it at the wrong time, there goes your act.

Not everything needs a reason in an act. You are selling an act that entertains and audience.
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Thanks,

but I am concious of what you just said. I just like to have a reason for what I do on stage. Does that make Kaps, Burton, cardini, shimada, etc, right? No! Does it make me right? No! But that is how I preform on stage, there is no need to change my preformace style. But I do see where your coming from.

Thanks,

DJ
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On 2005-12-21 02:16, DJ Trix wrote:
I have a quick question,

When I first started working with manipulation I practiced with the fantasio candles but realised they wernt for me (it is also pretty much impossible to work these things like lance). So now I am going to order the Owen multiplying candles.


DON'T

If this has been your experience, then even the best set in the world will disappoint you.
DJ Trix
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Randy,


I love the idea or producing candles, just not candle sticks, I love the idea of little candles though.

DJ
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