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Matthew Wright Special user 551 Posts |
Tim,
In the videos others have posted here we have seen a top levitate, a small magnet levitate and also a frog doing a decent job! What is so non-sensicle having thought that Ben may have incorporated this into a magnetic card? Obviously with hindsight it was totally ludicrous. I was due to pick one up from my local dealer on Monday. I won't be going now. If you and others like the trick good on you and good luck to you. I wanted a levitation that you could look underneath and this isn't it. I will save my money. |
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Tim Jahn Special user South Florida 911 Posts |
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On 2008-05-10 17:54, Piz wrote: Yeah I remember!! That was great and I laughed my but off. Those were some great posts!! The magnetic spray looks interesting. Have to pick some up and play with it. Thanks for the info Piz. As for this thread, I'm ducking out. This is turning into a fight and I don't want to make anyone angry or lose any friends. I respect you all and especially you Gary for posting the review in the first place. Peace everyone, Tim
Andrew, (ASW)
The effects on the DVD and lecture notes are far beyond your abilities. (They require mastery of the mechanic's grip.) It would only break your heart. Sincerely, Darwin Ortiz.......(This post has got to be in my top 5.) |
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GarySumpter Special user UK 857 Posts |
No fights here mate, just trying to get some answers to feel a bit better about the purchase...
Thanks for your input though! Gary |
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Art190 Elite user 447 Posts |
Hi Gary, I was interested in purchasing this but let me ask you one question.
Are you saying that you cannot give the deck to the spectator, have them flip over the top card, and then make the card float IN their hands, and then they take the card from the deck and examine it like in the video? Here's the video and towards the end you see the lady with the deck and the card floating in her hand, she then takes the card when it's floating and there's nothing. http://youtube.com/watch?v=guzoAOmInwU The only reason I am interested in this is because as seen on the video, you can give the whole deck to them and have them float the card and examine it. If this is not possible I don't think this would be for me and the video would then be misleading. Please let me know about this.. Thanks, Art |
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GarySumpter Special user UK 857 Posts |
Apparently you can, but not with the paradigm shifter. I personally think there are far too many things that can go wrong to do this.
Gary |
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Eric Simmatis Regular user 118 Posts |
I am tempted to buy this, but with all the negitave reviews it is a maybe. I really want to try this, but also too expensive for something I wont use. I am torn...maybe I should buy torn 2...hmmm
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Ben Harris V.I.P. The Land Down Under 2126 Posts |
Everyone
To recap: I find no problem with Gary's review. This is how he sees it. And why would I argue with him. He's entitled to his opinion. For anyone to suggest misleading practices in regards the marketing of this, I find offensive and upsetting. I gave my all. Purchasers (or those interested in the product) will continue to find full support at our website (A set of bonus instructions for purchasers will be available from the website in a day or so. These additional instructions are in response to purchaser feedback and will also be printed as a booklet and included in all future orders.) #I may be contacted at ben@wowbound.com #website/blog http://www.wowbound.com Cheers Ben Harris
+Inventor of the world famous Floating Match+
+Author: Machinations (Vanishing Inc, 2020)+ EVERYTHING BEN HARRIS |
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GarySumpter Special user UK 857 Posts |
I'll sell you mine mate, clearly I don't want it.
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Art190 Elite user 447 Posts |
So I would have to get a stronger magnet in order to do this? Also, can any magnet be used?
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GarySumpter Special user UK 857 Posts |
I love the fact that many times people have raised concerns and they have been ignored.
I hope those of you that buy this like it but read every word ben has written In every place he writes or you may be disappointed. What a shame. |
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Art190 Elite user 447 Posts |
Gary I PM'ed you.
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Art190 Elite user 447 Posts |
Hi Ben, in my post I said that IF, IF you cannot do what is done in the video, THEN the video would be misleading. But apparently it is possible with a stronger magnet? Not sure.
Art |
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RooMan Special user Texas 704 Posts |
Art...you really should check out the threads on this. It's all there.
Ben hasn't deceived anyone. But if, as Soulstar said earlier, this thing is already breaking down, that's another issue altogether. |
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GarySumpter Special user UK 857 Posts |
Quote: perhaps then ben could answer my questions above regarding the issues that myself and others have brought up as I feel I bought this under false pretenses.
On 2008-05-10 19:10, RooMan wrote: |
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Art190 Elite user 447 Posts |
RooMan, you're right, I should. But I don't want to go thru ever page when I can get the answers to my questions much faster from someone (besides Ben) who owns this.
Art |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
Well, basically after reading all these posts, I now know exactly what this item is and honestly it wasn't what I was hoping for it to be. A hands off controllable hovercard, clever idea.
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Ben Harris V.I.P. The Land Down Under 2126 Posts |
What are the questions, guys?
After reading all this stuff my head is in a spin. A couple of answers... Yes, you can use a bigger magnet. The one I normally strap under my pants, at the side of the knee is abount 2" X 2" X 1/2" big and powerful. Yes, the effect can be performed as in the video. I performed them in the video. Is it trick photography? No. It's different sequences with different magnets in different configurations demonstrating scope. A few card sleights were used too. These are things you may use in real performance yourself, so I don't consider it deceptive. Can the card be made to float with the deck held by the spectator? Yes it can. Take the deck, place it on their face up palm, or cupped hands, manage the spectator. Have them concentrate then bring your forefinger in and direct the energy. Make the card float. She'll be so surprised that she'll probably turn over her card to see if there is anything under it. There isn't. If such a bold approach is not you, perform it with the deck on the table. (And consider playing with Paul Harris's "Solid Deception" to better understand these sorts of things). Gentlemen, this is a magic trick. You must "perform" it. You must manage your audience. You must entertain, misdirect, create wonder. You must work at it like with any magic effect. A DVD called The Look of Enlightenment will be out in Sept/Oct. On this you will see real world performances. You will see all the nuances in action -- the shuffling, the in hands element, the spectator looking under the card, etc. I perform Enlightenmnet regulary. It kills. My favourite application at the moment is with the gimmick built into a note pad and a sketch of a butterfly that comes to life and briefly flutters into the air. All self contained in the pad and a sharpie. It kills. Cheers Ben
+Inventor of the world famous Floating Match+
+Author: Machinations (Vanishing Inc, 2020)+ EVERYTHING BEN HARRIS |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
The butterfly effect is a very good idea!
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jeremysweiss Special user 742 Posts |
It seems people were hoping for some new magnetic way of levitating cards. Fair enough--I too (initially) guessed that the card was shimmed and some magnetic device was in play thus raising the card (which was "freely chosen" via a forcing deck), But when Ben said that the spectator cannot peek under the card while it was levitating, I modified my guess.
I have yet to receive the gimmick and give it a full review. So my thought on it are on reserve. However, I must say that it seems that the complaints about this release center around disappointment in the METHOD of the trick. I find this complaint so silly. Who cares WHAT the METHOD is, only the EFFECT. What effects does the new method allow for? I have seen a magician hold a full audience spellbound for 10 minutes using a god-awful thumb-tip. Why could he do it? Because he was a PERFORMER. Could the tricks have been more elaborately done in order to fool other magicians? Yes. But they weren't. For many, this trick is just a more elaborate, more expensive way of doing Cosmosis/Hovercard--which were and are great tricks. So why did you all feel the need to buy this version of a floating card? Because the method was different? Well, that is a stupid reason. The method doesn't matter, only the effect. The method only becomes important if it allows you (in your "Act") to overcome some logistical problem that has been a barrier in your act. Eg. You find that people are always reaching for the card and finding out the method of Hovercard. So before making a purchase--any purchase, one must consider and ask the following: What does this method allow me to do, that I can't do with some other (cheaper, faster, more simple, etc.) method that I need help with? What does this method allow me to do that other methods don't even with a change in my routine? Also take a look at these questions: Who are you are performing for? Other magicians? If so, here is a tip: If you are doing it for other magicians, well you are in trouble because everyone on this forum has access to the secrets...(I'm talking to you ELECTRIC TOUCH). Are you performing for laypeople? Is this effect an effect that you can use? Where are you performing (e.g. What is the venue)? How are you going to make it work for your character? How would you incorporate this into your "act" or are you a hobbyists? If so, how will you use it at work to entertain (actually annoy) your coworkers/friends and (irritate) your spouse? (Aside: If it is an item you aren't going to use in an act and you buy say for example, a peek wallet. Not using it because it turns out that you use a money clip rather than a wallet in your daily life, is your problem. Don't blame the item for collecting dust. Now, this may not apply in the case of Enlightenment, but I do suspect that most people bought it to learn the method and then it will collect dust in a drawer--like maybe even mine.) Back to topic: So, while some may be disappointed (and I may be as well after I get a chance to review it) I don't think it isn't fair to be upset by the METHOD of a trick. I think there are very few tricks I have learned that I wasn't disappointed by the method--that's what comes with learning the "answer". The mystery is over. If something you purchased can't be put into your act because it breaks, it doesn't do what was claimed to do, is to cumbersome or whatever, then I agree with you. The item doesn't work for you and you can give it a bum review for all those reasons. But please keep in mind--Effects are for laypeople. They don't care about methods. Methods are for magicians only. Only magicians care about them. Finally, not only has Ben been pretty darn forthcoming, but the METHOD has totally been tipped on this forum and Ben hasn't even really complained about that! I can't believe it isn't locked. Jeremy http://www.theshockdocshow.com
The Shock Doc
<BR>www.TheShockDocShow.com <BR> <BR> <BR>http://ballycast.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/ballycast-024-2009-03-21.mp3 <BR> <BR>"....Jeremy Weiss has the greatest card trick of ALL TIME!"--Jamie D. Grant. <BR>Start listening to iTricks 11/12/09 |
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Benjamin.Kopelke New user 7 Posts |
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On 2008-05-10 19:58, Ben Harris wrote: Why I LOVE this effect - there really is NOT mechanics involved here. The whole "closeness" that the Shifter makes this effect means you DON'T need to manage your audience as much (you need to get in close, so why doesn't the spectator too?). All this means I can "perform" it as Ben says. Actually - truth be told, I haven't performed it yet, I'm still working out my style. In my original review, I stated that I think this is powerful enough to be a "one off" effect - so I'm working towards making this a reality. And I love Ben's idea of the floating butterfly - I had a similar idea of integrating the gaff into something else - like a book... |
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