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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
For a short time I used a 'Hot Rod' in combination with the rod from 'Slip Off Spot.
Both were similar enough gem wise. With a bit of misdirection I could show a rod blank on one side and gems on the other. Then do a switch and do the Hot Rod effect. |
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Bendy Special user Columbus, Ohio 518 Posts |
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Speaking of examinability...do you guys usually just hand out the one you worked with or switch it out first for one that looks like they expect it to on both sides? I feel like a spec might be able to figure out the trick just by looking at it...maybe I'm giving them too much credit. I've never had a spectator figure out the move/method. I've had them hold them and rub them and shake them - thinking it's activated by heat or motion. No one, however, has gone for the simple solution. I will use similar rods with different solid colors so I can actually perform the trick a second time or in sight of someone who has already seen it. They see the different color and are even more baffled. The Hot Rod can be examined. I will generally hand the Hot Rod out after the performance. I chante the multiple colors to a solid color on both sides, then I'll change it back - again on both sides. Then I state I can even change just one side. I then run my finger along the gems on the side that isn't showing, (the solid color), tilting the Hot Rod up toward the spectator's view as I continue with the motion. This looks like the gems are being changed as I run my finger over them. I then say, "see?" or sometimes say nothing at all, making sure to show both sides - really showing both sides - by displaying both sides in the same manner I had done so during the trick when "the move" was executed. I then just casually set the Hot Rod down or hand it to the spectator. They then can proceed to go through their inspection. By the way - all this talk about Hot Rods made me order another one with a different solid color than what I have from Precision Magic! |
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whitjm5 Loyal user of magic in Jacksonville, FL 222 Posts |
I gotta be honest, I still have NO IDEA how this is done. I'll probably pick one up today because it's just NEAT (and relatively inexpensive).
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loyaleagle Special user Montgomery Village, Maryland 567 Posts |
Ok, so I picked up a cheap one (for right now that's all I want to get just to learn the move). I have been working on the paddle move for a few days now. Any specific tips? Also, I like the running it through the hand part because "printing" the gems looks really neat.
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whitjm5 Loyal user of magic in Jacksonville, FL 222 Posts |
Loyal, I don't have any tips for you, but wanted to thank you for this thread. I picked one up today too. A clear acrylic one for $7.95 from the local shop. He showed me how to do it (who knew?!?!) and I'll be practicing the 'paddle' over the next couple of days. Good stuff.
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loyaleagle Special user Montgomery Village, Maryland 567 Posts |
Thank everybody else Whit, especially Bendy, who seems to be a hot rod specialist!....I'm just the schmuck with the questions.
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michaelmagicart Loyal user 254 Posts |
Listening to you all almost makes me tempted to start manufacturing the clear hot rods again. I quit making them in the early 80’s. They were sold under the name “Nu-Clear Hot Rod”. I always inset the jewels so they were flush with the rod to avoid the problem of the jewels getting knocked out accidentally. You could buy the rod separately or I also provided a solid switch rod that could be left in the spectator’s hand. Personally I hated the standard paddle move (up and down motion) and it didn’t look natural. In my instructions at the time I stressed using the Merrill Knife move. No chance of a flash from any angle and it looks simply like you are turning your hand over. Also so much easier to do. I haven’t researched the availability nor the quality of Hot Rod on the market today, so I can’t help you much there.
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Bendy Special user Columbus, Ohio 518 Posts |
As far as tips go: Remember, the "larger" mostion hides the "smaller" motion. That's the whole premise behind the paddle move. I would suggest practice, practice, practice. It's a simple move as far as sleights go, but it's an effective one and the more you practice it, the more seamless and natural it will be in your performance. I actually will absent-mindedly pull out my Hot Rod during idle time, (at work if I have time, in a drive-thru while waiting for my food, in line at Wal-Mart, etc.), and practice the move. If there are people close by, I make sure not to flash the solid side and more than half the time, their curiosity will get the better of them and they'll ask what that is. When that happens, I not only get practice with the move, but I get to practice actually performing for an audience. Can't beat that. I would advise not turning the rod over too fast. It has to flow naturally. Fast enough not to get caught, (allowing the large move to cover the small move), but not so fast that it appears you're hiding something or not being fair in your moves. That's where the practice makes perfect. It's not understanding the move or executing the move that's most important. It's timing the execution of the move.
Oh, and when a stranger asks, "what is that?", my answers vary. Sometimes I just go into the performance. Sometimes I say, "look" and go into the performance. Sometimes I make up something outrageous, ("it's a remote control for a spacecraft I'm developing for the government", "it's like a mood ring...but you do NOT want to know where I was told to put it", "it's a power cell clip for my lightsaber", etc.), and sometimes I just say, "I don't know - but look what it does." Depends on my mood and what kind of read I get from the other person/people. Once you get the paddle move down, there are all kinds of things you can do and lots of tricks utilizing that move in some fashion, (as the main move for the trick - like Mark Jenest's "Number 2 Pencil" or the "Amazing Jumping Arrow," or as an option during one portion of a larger illusion that does not utilize the paddle move as its primary move - like Gregory Wilson's "FreaKey"). You can even do things with borrowed items, (like make a company logo 'disappear' from a pen). You can use it anywhere because you can carry a Hot Rod anywhere. There are lots of different Hot Rods out there - from the Hot Rod pen, to the Precision Hot Rods to the plastic ones to wood ones to larger, plastic or aluminum ones. Some are more square, some are more rectangular. Some are small and some are thick. Some are lightweight and some are heavy. Using the cheap ones to get the move down is fine; but I would suggest - after getting the move down - that you experiment with the various weights, styles and sizes to get the one that works best for you and then purchase more expensive, better-made Hot Rods best suited to your skill, needs and personal preferences. Have fun! |
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loyaleagle Special user Montgomery Village, Maryland 567 Posts |
Thanks Bendy the Hot Rod man!
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Bendy Special user Columbus, Ohio 518 Posts |
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On 2008-05-17 15:52, Michaelmagicart wrote: I'd be one of the first in line to buy one, (or two or six), from you if you started manufacturing them again. |
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spcarlson Veteran user Minneapolis MN 369 Posts |
Michaelmagicart:
I bet it was your Hot Rod that Eagle Magic store in Mpls carried years ago they were super! Start making them again there is a definite market for high quality props. Magicians today are willing to pay for the best. Steven |
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joseph Eternal Order Please ignore my 17407 Posts |
No.2 Pencil is another item to check out...It's a nice variation, and fun to practice....
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." (Einstein)...
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Bendy Special user Columbus, Ohio 518 Posts |
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On 2008-05-15 23:19, Bendy wrote: While this statement still holds true for Hot Rods, I was performing the Deluxe Money Paddle for a young lady just a couple of days after posting that I'd never had them figure it out. When I removed one coin and it "disappeared" from the other side, she started working it out. By the climax of the trick, (when a dollar is revealed on one side and I explain that it's done "with mirrors" - removing the dollar and revealing the row of mirrors), she didn't care that she didn't figure out where the dollar came from. She didn't appreciate the mirror gag. Everyone is always floored and has never gone back to the coins. But this girl said that the only way I could've done it was if I... ...And then she flat-out stated exactly what I did. So while I haven't had anyone figure out the Hot Rod after all these years, I had someone figure out the money paddle. However, I would like to state that I did "The Amazing Jumping Arrow" shortly after, (which uses the exact same move), and she was absolutley baffled. ...I still got it. |
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loyaleagle Special user Montgomery Village, Maryland 567 Posts |
Nice story. Yeah I was doing hot rod for my mom on our postponed mother's day and she ALMOST got it. After I did one of the phases of the trick she said, "Wait, now turn it over." Of course I paddled it over and she was stunned. My mom must be the best possible spectator in the world. I can flub doubles (with cards) in front of her and she still catch it. Sadly I need to get better so I can fool a slightly more skeptical audience (ironically my dad is one of these).
Oh and do you guys have a preferred "move?" I have been using the simple "up down" move in the instructions along with turning over with a down-facing palm. I know there is a spin move too but I haven't really figured out the fingering or timing for that one. Any help would be great. PM me if need be.
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whitjm5 Loyal user of magic in Jacksonville, FL 222 Posts |
Loyal, there's a post in the "New to Magic" forum that gives a pretty nice description of another way to do it.
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thumbslinger Elite user This is a good number: 458 Posts |
I had something years ago called FanTAStick which was the same thing but it was a piece of frosted acrylic with shiny/metallic like tape for the colors.
Anyway, I'm not sure about the 'names' of moves and such, but using one of the moves in a color changing knives routine seems to work beautifully. It's the one where you turn the knife/Hot rod over in one hand and immediately take it up in the other hand. It just seems to emphasize the turning over. The 'spin' move is nice too. Loyaleagle.. think about the hand holding the rod.. that's where the timing is...the other hand is used simply for cover. Daryl uses the spin all over the place in his knife routine.
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Jon Blakeney Special user Australia 657 Posts |
Check out the new Divining rods,you get two different rods plus a switch out pad. They have gems from Austria and are made of hard wood with a great shiny finish.
'What the eye's see the heart must believe"
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MAGIC JAM New user 9 Posts |
If you can't control the color don't show it to the same person twice. They will figure out that you are forcing the color.
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loyaleagle Special user Montgomery Village, Maryland 567 Posts |
@MAGIC JAM
...OR you can just switch the rods that are oriented for another color....or you can switch in an inspectable "straight rod"
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mike storz Inner circle Orange, CT 1353 Posts |
Hi!
The original Dragster from Madhatter Magic Shop is the best! For those familiar with the hot rod you'll love this. There are gems on all four sides and all four sides change. No moving parts too! Mike |
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