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Feeling sick now, wish I never started this bloody post!!!
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I agree with Harrison,
Although that would be quite wierd and a bit Paul Daniels.
But, it's kind of the inevitable next step...
Unfortunatly it'll probably mean the end of his career.
Those sorts of shows tend to be a winding down move, shifting the focus away from your own act and becoming a "presenter."

That combined with the gay inuendos and Derren will become the Magical equivilant of Graham Norton.
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Brown can be such a hit or miss, either hes great or ehh not so great
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Not sure if I agree with that. Although I thought this latest offering was total rubbish I'm only expressing my honest belief. I think my outrage is so BECAUSE I hold the man (and his team) in such high estemm. I mean, I do know what I've said in this post (didn't take any pleasure saying so) but I honestly don't know anyone who appreciates what these guys do more than me. I do hope this makes sense.
It's kinda' watching Paul Mcartney strumming his wee mandolin thingy singing "everybody's gonna dance tonight". I watch him there now on my TV and gaze at the corner of the room where my my collection of he and John's earlier stuff lies and wanna' sob.

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When selecting volunteers most mentalists seek out those that are very compliant. Being so compliant does not nessisarily(sp) make for an entertaining subject. Hence, a problem for a long running bit. The folks that LJ uses on Skullduggery seemed of that sort to me.
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Good post Slim. Couldn't agree more or add anything to it.
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I believe Derren said in a recent interview that this will be the last season of Trick or Treat, so it would be interesting to see what format he chooses next for his TV show.

Slim, what happened to your old outfit? Smile
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Too many Masons with no sense of Humor Smile
Rather than bicker about my character, I have used of of the many others.
This is the Trailer Park Abductee dude that I resemble a bit too much!
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LOL. The good thing is you're aware of it so we don't need to say. That makes us feel less fidgety, Thanks.
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Right. I aint read much of this thread so if I make any mistakes I apologise.

I've had a conversation about this thread with another mentalist. the topic of this thread was brought up because I was so utterly pleased with derren's move to make this episode (the girl in bag episode) of trick or treat. I'm going to try to be as clear as possible because I'm tired and can tell what I'm about to say might not make perfect sense.

after attending a fair amount of mentalism lectures, reading, watching etc and buying props over and over and over and over all these big names in mentalism seem to drill on to me.. they seem to say over and over and over and over... 'mentalism is not a trick, take your time' and ok, sometimes I get that, sometimes I don't, sometimes I just have too much of an urge to pull out the best effect to get the 'impossible factor' but then it becomes inplausiable... and therefore not mentalism but 'that must be a trick' is the reaction.

This series of trick or treat... particularly the kitten episode and the bag episode are my favorites because it strikes me that one man in the mentalism world.. knows how to take his time (well I know others are doing it too Smile The storyline, the arousal of emotions, the lighting, the catchphrases its all great, and I'm not saying that's where the mentalism happens, I think the mentalism really is.. allowing individuals to experience a sense of mystery and to gain entertainment from its presentation.. to go from thinking something is impossible to believing in it. and derren brown especially in the kitten episode and especially in the 'bag' episode takes people on a journey turning their minds around to what is possible based on a ulteria-focused-motive constructed illusion that only the derren brown team and consultants (ad infinium) know about.

Mentalism is mystery.. not mind reading. and that's why I really dislike the david tennant episode.. its far too fast paced and much less believable than the kitten episode and this bag episode Smile

lol.. anyway I hope you AGREE.. I'll read the rest of the thread after this post!

Afternote: after watching the first episode of this series and then subsequently second (which I believe was the kitten episode) I came away thinking.. 'mentalism isn't any of the tricks I buy, or any of the stuff I read and decide to use, or even anything I think up myself.. mentalism isn't tricks, its just what I decide to build a sense of mystery around through a convincing plot, anything that changes a person from believing 'no that's not possible' to 'well it is possible I saw it happen, or I know it to be true' is mentalism. I could do anything.. and it would now be mentalism. whether its write a computer program or drink a pint (let me think about those ones). lol. but seriously.. I think derren is popularizing the move away from mentalism being tricks.. which I think secretly.. if we are honest to ourselves we have all being victim of. (even if we are psychologist, hypnotists, psychiatrists)
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Thing is the Kitten episode wasn't convincing. It came across as fake and contrived and unbelievable. Although there were some nice touches in the programme like the footage of the kids ( the only real natural and convincing part)I thought it was unconvincing. Don't think for a second many people actually believed he would kill a kitten.

But that's just my view.
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Mindpunisher, I don't think that the audience actually believes he would kill a kitten. That was not the object of the experiment. The object of the experiment was that she would actually hit the button. Despite being told that she would electocute the kitten.

At least that's the way I saw it. YMMV. Smile
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Well said edh!
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Yes but if the audience don't believe he would kill a kitten they will also find it hard to believe she would. that's why I thought it was contrived and fake from the start.

I don't think anyone who would volunteer for his show would actually believe that the presing of a button would kill a kitten unless they were hypnotised.

Where as for example his seance show tapped into something more realistic. It was very convincing and most likely "real" when the volunteers reacted the way they did.

I think a large part of the population would have reacted the same way. Probably one of his best shows ever. Derren is the best at his game without doubt but no one can keep up that high standard forever.

But at the end of the day He and his team will keep making shows until the viewers eventually dwindle. And lets be honest if we were in his position we would do the same.
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B-O-R-I-N-G TV.....yawn.....for once I agree with Bobser!
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Have anyone seen episode 5 yet ? It was worse then the 4th.
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Ooh. Oddly I am getting some of my laymen friends approaching me and actually telling me how great they are finding it. Most of them have never seen Derren before and they all enjoyed episode 5. It is almost like he is entertaining to the public and not to mentalists and magicians. Oh the audacity of the man!

By the way, these are layman that I don't take to magic shows or show stuff to, these are the real deal folks. Now, which would we class as the most important audience?
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On 2008-06-01 21:36, salsa_dancer wrote:
Ooh. Oddly I am getting some of my laymen friends approaching me and actually telling me how great they are finding it. Most of them have never seen Derren before and they all enjoyed episode 5.


I think this is the answer. If they haven't seen something better in the past by him then....
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On 2008-05-31 14:02, Ian Broadmore wrote:
B-O-R-I-N-G TV.....yawn.....for once I agree with Bobser!

Ian! Where have you been? My how I've missed you!!!!!
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I fell asleep watching Derrens latest series.......Smile
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