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Derren Brown did an ootw living and dead test on his TV special. He used regular photos and wrote 'deceased' on the back of those photos containing people who died.
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Yep, I love Derrens Undertaker effect. It's a different method and presentation to White Star, but both get quite similar reactions and create a lasting impression on the spectators. I hear Doug Segal does an excellent version in his show too.
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Thanks for the trailer Dominic, very interesting! Is this repeatable?
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Hi lunatik,

Yes, its repeatable and resets instantly. However, remember "once a trick, twice a lesson")
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On 2008-05-30 19:18, Dominic Reyes wrote:

One feature of White Star is that you let the spectators choose the images they want to keep, then you DON'T need to adjust the packets/piles in any way at all. No switches or swapping etc etc. Just sit back if you want and let them read about the people they selected, and watch them discover for themselves what the passangers all have in common.



Wait a second... The magician/mentalist NEVER touches the cards?? Are the cards regular? I thought it was OOTW but with a clever presentation/history?
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There's no reason why you could not use the OOTW method for an effect like this, if you reworked the presentation and you would have to adapt the photo cards, but with White Star the spectators make their selections and the magician does not need to adjust the selected card piles or packets at all. The spectators can shuffle the photos completely and the photos are used in THAT completely RANDOM order. The photo cards are also completely examinable, which is actually recommended as part of the presentation.

Its also nice not to reveal what the effect is at the end. Just have each spectator look through their selections and read about the people, the fact that they seperated the living from the dead, jumps out at them all by itself. It really adds to the reactions, without the magician unconsciously conmunicating 'look how clever I am! etc etc'.


Hope that helps

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Yes, that's what Derren Brown has done actually, no? But aparently this method seems really fair (DB does not make the spectator mix the cards... but why should he actually, they're not playing cards... Smile )!

Thanks for your help Dominic, the effect seems interesting and intriguing (the idea of the Titanic, together with the coin and pen, appeals to me), but I think I'll wait for a little more different reviews.

Best,

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I do hope that for $60 there's a little more than a few photos, an old coin and a pen... Smile
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It would be interesting if there were a blank version for non-English speaking costumers.
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I think the cards are laminated, so it would be difficult to sell the same set...

I don't think it's a big problem though: the history is about the Titanic, which passengers were mostly from the UK... People just have to understand "alive" or "dead"...
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On 2008-06-23 09:14, goldeneye007 wrote:
I think the cards are laminated, so it would be difficult to sell the same set...

I don't think it's a big problem though: the history is about the Titanic, which passengers were mostly from the UK... People just have to understand "alive" or "dead"...


Yes, maybe storytelling can solve the problem. You could refer to the photos as souvenirs from a Titanic museum located in the UK. Smile
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Absolutely! Smile It's even better!
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Can this be modified to be use for STAGE performance?.....and what is the limitations?
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Get a camera mesmer... Smile Just joking...

DB does this though...

But I think I get your point, let's wait for Dominic to answer.
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Since I own and do Split Reality....which the method is so simple....and if this allow the packet to be mix...the we have a winner
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I get your point. Smile
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Hi Mesmer

You can have the packets fully mixed with White Star.

White Star would work perfectly on stage. You would not have any limitations apart from the photo cards being the approx size of a playing card.

If you prefer not to have a camera and projector (which could also be used to show some stock footage of Titanic etc to set the mood) you would need to scan them and reprint to make then jumbo size, or alternativly, just use some general stock images from that era, instead of the passanger photos included in White Star. The method, presentation and routine fit perfectly on stage, so its just a scale issue, and easy to set up.

Hope this helps

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On 2008-06-23 08:59, goldeneye007 wrote:
I do hope that for $60 there's a little more than a few photos, an old coin and a pen... Smile

Do the coin and the pen come with the cards Dominic?

......or is this something that is suggested, and must be purchased after the fact?

Also, in light of this question, could you please clear up exactly what comes in the package..DVD, how many pages of instructions, etc?

And have you at all thought of offering this as a download, similar to the fashion "Split Reality" is being offered?
In a download the customer would print out their own cards, and also print out the written blurbs on the back of the cards.

The $60.00 price still seems a bit high....perhaps a clear explanation of the package might make the price seem more reasonable.
Although equal to "From Hell" in price, as I pointed out in an earlier post, "From Hell" appears to come with more props and a forum to justify its $60.00 price tag.
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On 2008-06-10 07:26, Dominic Reyes wrote:

Yep $60 is not a pocket money effect. (There's room there for a complete debate on the benifits of keeping some effects a bit pricey, but that's for another time) £/$ exchange rates aside, a lot of the cost has gone into the materials supplied. Jim and I wanted to make them as high quality as we could, so a LOT of time went into researching to produce the images and stories (over 2 years research just getting the source material and developing/researching the backgrounds) we also went for high grade card stock and went through THREE printing companies just to get them 'spot on'. The first prototypes were on regular card without the lamination coatings, but in the end (and after several long meetings) we decided it was better to blow the budget completely and go for the best stock and printing/finishing process money could buy. The product is intented to be used 'in the trenches' rather than just a few times to friends and family, so its vital that the cards will hold up to regular use and being played with by the spectators. I'm very happy with the results.


See above ref price, however, I have a correction. I think the value of the $60 is really in Jims idea for the method. I know personally If I had come up with it myself, and all the tips, lines and psychological hooks etc, I would not have wanted to teach it to anyone even if they offered me several times more than $60. It would just stay in my act. But if Jim is happy to share it with the magic community, then that's his choice and as it's my job to represent him, I respect that choice.

You would need to source your own 'pen and coin' which is pretty easy to do at any antique shop, ebay etc.

Ref a download version: Jim and I have no plans to release White Star as a download. I'm very proud of the finished item, and the two years of research that went into getting the background material etc, so would rather keep it at a mid-range price, to keep the value in it for the magicians who have already purchased and use the effect.

I would be happy to recommend our customers perhaps only brought White Star rather two other effects from our shop, which would amount to the same cost. I've faith that they would also be happy with the result, if a budget was an issue in their choice.

If its going to be performed publically, I'd rather lose out on a LOAD of sales by avoiding a cheaper download version, than have it presented to spectators without the best physical appearence I can offer. A costly decission for us to take, but Jim and I both agree its not just about the business side of magic at the end of the day.

P.S A White Star ideas Forum is being set up for launch at the end of the month
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........ however, I have a correction. I think the value of the $60 is really in Jims idea for the method.

This is an important distinction, and offers clarity.
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