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Doug Higley
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I had the same thought Wanlu! I'm looking...hmmm
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Acecardician
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I do need a new arm illusion, as I just completely wore out the one I had...and a new bird puppet to add to my collection would be cool...
my order is in.

ACE Smile
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The orders are greatly appreciated! I need to offset my new losses! Ha. : )

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Doug Higley
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D: Hi Steve!

S: Call me Ax...

D: Ax...

S: Yeah...Ax

D: Then I'll have to change the letter in front of your dialog line...

A: Go for it...

D: You seem a bit uncomfortable...

A: (looks at Doug) Ya think? Can we say "My Night MARE!"

D: It is a bit of a switch isn't it...

A: Oh yeah...like when I got up this morning there was a flood of anticipation that later in the day I would be sittin on a knee and have a strangers hand inside my head manipulating my face...and what's with the arm!!??

D: I'm sorry...but it's my job...

A: Your job...more like The Revenge of the Puppets...

D: Well it is good to put your self in anothers shoes...

A: Shoes I wouldn't mind...a wrist in the neck, I get qualms...

D: Yes...I understand...kind of like what went on at the Magic Café this week..

A: Now that was interesting...

D: I think you handeled it rather well...

A: You do...

D: Yes

A: This is what I get for changing my company's policy...an elbow in the coccyx?
A simple wedgy wasn't enough?

D: I think you made many new friends

A: I think I got many old friends...

D: Sounds like the set up to a song...

A: NO! That's where I draw the line...put the glass of water down...no way are you going to make me sing...CUE The Dragon! OREO! Where's OREO! Oh my gawd....

Row Row Row......

(sound fx of wind chimes)

Steve...Steve...wake up...it's ok...here...have a sip of water...
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axtell
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Ha! Very creative Doug. My favorite line is... "Well it is good to put yourself in another's shoes... "

That's what we did this week. You stepped into my shoes, and I stepped into yours. Let us never stop doing that! The more we consider another's point of view the bigger we become. Media rights fees are part of the media industry and it's standard, but you are a niche of puppet users that are first stage performers. The media industry paradigm doesn't feel right to you, so we AXed it on our characters. I think we will make up for that with customer trust and continued orders.

Tom thank you for initiating this and for staying with us! Potty thanks for your story and for your loyalty (it made the difference) ...Oliver thanks for keeping us in your show....everyone else we appreciate your heart felt comments.

Other puppet makers and figure builders.... it's not only competition, we are in this together in so many ways. We refer some customers to you, thank you for referring some to us. We all want to be keenly aware of copyright issues. We need to help each other be aware of dangers and concerns in the marketplace. We need to continually praise excellence in each others work. We will all grow as our industry is growing.

Ventriloquists....we are in a real powerful season of growth....our little corner of entertainment is becoming a professional industry. We are expanding in exposure all over the world, fast becoming a respected form of entertainment. We need to be in step with professional standards and legal issues. Glenn we are all looking forward to your legal book! We can all use that as a platform for these rights discussions.

Axtell Expressions is currently featured in the PUPPETRY JOURNAL MAGAZINE. It is the mag of the Puppeteers of America. One of the puppet related organizations. I am sure there are some practice standards there to analyze. We can also borrow from the Magic community. I hear from so many vents who started out as Doug said with a sock who are now rockin' full-time businesses with puppets & magic. Some of these will progress on to super stars....we all will benefit and build on their successes.

Please join our Newsletter mailing list to stay in touch. We We are about to announce 5-6 new BIGGIES. You can sign up at http://www.axtell.com

Ax
Steve Axtell
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chris mcbrien
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Steve, re-read my comment on your web page.
"Steve did the entertainment world a BIG favor when he opened the doors of Axtell!"
Chris McBrien
I still stand by every word of that.
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Steve, You DA MAN!!!!!!
What you just did is yet another way you've show how much you love this artform along with the great products and service you've already been putting out there for our benefit for years. Many best wishes to you and your family for being here for us! Thanks for another great gift to us!
Chris (Dedicated Axtell Customer!)
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Steve, Thankyou, Thankyou, Thankyou!

You are a star in the world of puppets and magic, and your decision has just cost me my next four paychecks, since I'm about to spend them on new puppets!
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We've also generated some interest in the art here. I've gotten more than one e-mail that this inspired people to use a bit of simple vent and start practicing!
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Potty the Pirate
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I never doubted that Steve would resolve this matter, but hey, he's done in in his own inimitable way, with grace and style. Steve, you lead and others will follow....
Thanks so much for giving so much to the world of kids' entertainment!
Potty.
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On 2008-06-10 21:58, Wanlu wrote:

Now...let me go to that Axtell website and try to buy a new puppet just to show my appreciation... Smile



Agree. I just placed an order for one Puppet from a series of four I need for a foreigner show.

Thanks Steve!
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I have heard from another figure maker - Mike Brose. Mike also sells kits that allow people to build their own figures. Here is Mike's response:
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Hi Tom,

Our policy for using our figures in a high profile performance or mass
media distribution situation, is the same for our finished figures that
we make and sell or the kit figures that our customers have built from
our cast parts. We have no problem with anyone using them for TV,
movies, DVDs or other such mass media. So there are really no
restrictions or any special financial arrangements that need to be made
when using our products in such high profile performances. For instance,
when 'The Character Shop' (a very talented special effects company)
wanted to use one of our character faces for a Sprint commercial .......

http://www.character-shop.com/sprntdum.html

.... we were quite pleased to let them use the 'Fred' character for this
purpose. The Character shop was a wonderful company to work with BTW.

My wife and I answer a lot of questions from customers and prospective customers every week, so if anyone has any further questions on this or any other figure related questions, drop us an email!

Thanks Tom for starting such a beneficial discussion about this. I
definitely think all in the ventriloquist community have benefited!
Please feel free to post my comments in the Café. If I can be of any
further help, just let me know.

Best Regards,

Mike Brose
http://www.puppetsandprops.com
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Wanlu
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And Mike Brose is such a pro to deal with. Quite a great guy and very helpful in building figures...

I recently corresponded with him concerning one of my hard figure's face lift Smile
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Tod Todson
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Oh man, this all could have turned into some pretty bad feelings.

When I saw Potty's story, that really got to me personally.

Thank you for your classy decision Ax, taking a "higher road" than perhaps the lawyers and business bobble-heads said was needed.

All the commentary this weekend on Tim Russert shows how we should all aim to be thought of and remembered.

A very grateful customer (and continued fan),
Tod Torrent
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Acecardician
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Just received my New Axtell Bug-off Buzzard and arm illusion.
His red nose matches my clown characters nose! We are going to have lots of fun!
I am creating a Pirate Character, and will be looking into the Real McCaw.

I'm happy this topic worked out well for everyone.
Thanks Ax, for putting your customers first!

ACE
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Thank you all for your kind words.

Ax
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tacrowl
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I just got an e-mail from Mary Ann of MAT Puppets.
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Tom - Sorry it has taken so long to get back with you - we have been out of town and I wanted to give your question a lot of thought - My daughter is making puppets and I also want to protect her - as of now and I can't see it changing - I have no policy - you buy it and it is yours - the more you put the puppet out there and the more money you make on it the happier I am - if you have any other questions just let me know - take care - Mary Ann
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You can find MAT puppets at:
http://www.matpuppets.com/
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Doug Higley
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I love her Misc. U10. haha. Cool.
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Bill Palmer
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On 2008-06-05 07:03, ku7uk3 wrote:
Steve (Axtell) - I have a question.

I purchased the Axtell Drawing board and Chimp from a local magic auction. They are now currently used in my show. I have some great original routines with them, that I devised.
I am planning on producing a DVD to sell to other magicians, showing my routines along with my other puppet routines.
This doubt this DVD will not be released into supermarkets or high streets etc. It's sales will be mainly limited to my own website and eBay.

Since I bought these second hand, I had no knowledge of any media issues. The DVD is not targeted for public domain, just to help other magicians.

Am I allowed to use them in the video?

Steve


Just a point of information, Steve. I'm sure Glenn (da lawyer) will back me up on this.

"Public domain" does not mean the same thing as "the general public." Public domain is a legal term that means that an item is not protected by copyright or patent. For example, Bobo's Modern Coin Magic went out of copyright when Jay Marshall neglected to copyright the old version of the book when he issued The New Modern Coin Magic. The original book, which was significantly different passed into the public domain, which gave Dover the ability to put out their own copy of it. As a matter of fact, ANYONE can put out their own copy of the original book.

This is why many of the Hoffmann books and other magical classics have been reprinted. Erdnase is in the public domain. However, Revelations is not, because it is also the explanations of the material that Vernon had added to the book.
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