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Dr Spektor
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Very familiar...and not a bad theme twist really.
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As usual, someone sees another person's great premise and presentation and then steals the idea. Of course, they always say they changed it and made it their own. In this case it will be, "But I have the Titanic theme... it's completely different."

Would they have come up with that idea if they never saw Derren perform his routine? Probably not.

Thieves helping thieves. It's a shame.

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Thieves helping theives? Who is helping? I hope you don't mean me! I just brought it up as the Titanic seemed a bit fishy to me!
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If we're going for bad taste, I could do the same trick with Holocaust pics.
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On 2008-05-29 16:59, Dr Spektor wrote:
Thieves helping theives? Who is helping? I hope you don't mean me! I just brought it up as the Titanic seemed a bit fishy to me!


I didn't mean you at all. I meant that it happens a lot in this community. Someone sees some other person's effect or presentation and then puts it in shiny box and sells it.

Believe me, I wasn't directing it at you Dr. Spektor... just the general atmosphere I see here from time to time.
Now if they state somewhere that they got Derren's permission or his team then my bad. But just because you came up with a new spin on something that someone else put out doesn't mean you can instantly market it as your own.
I guess I can put out Free Will if I use cubes instead of wooden chips or put out Heirloom but I don't use a photo I have a child's drawing that I explain my psychic kid did. And the list is endless. It just boggles my mind that people get away with this time and time again.
My only hope is that those people end up inventing the coolest effect on the planet and then someone else comes out and steals it from them in the same way. I'm sure they will be very happy to promote the other person's product.

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I guess I did not read the ad carefully enough...I thought the effect was a copy of "From Hell".

I now see more was going on here.
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Isn't it a copy/ripoff of From Hell? What am I missing here, Eddie?
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Which came first? From Hell (v1) or DB's undertaker scene of OOTW?

Seems a blatant rip off of From Hell (priced exactly the same too - coincidence? LOL).

Maybe we should say this is a blatant rip of of OOTW instead? Which brings me to ask - at which point does taking someone's card effect and dressing it up with something other than playing cards depart from plagarism?
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On 2008-05-30 12:42, BillyTheSquid wrote:
Which came first? From Hell (v1) or DB's undertaker scene of OOTW?


OOTW by Paul Curry in the forties.

I have not seen the "DB undertaker" scene...was it essentially the same effect in new garb?
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Hi Folks

Just thought I should point out that although based on an OOTW style of effect, its not only the theme and presentation that's different from The Undertaker and From Hell but it has a completely different method as well.

Jim does go into great detail about this in the book that comes with the effect.
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According to the notes on "From Hell" it mentions the OOTW routine by Derren Brown, so If I'm nit going out on a limb, I would say that DB's Undertaker routine came first, and inspired these other versions ...

For those of you who have not seen the Derren Brown version, check out this youtube clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0OsSNYb0E

I especially like his closing remark... goes well with his smug smile at that point! Smile
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Wizard of Heart -

One feature of White Star is that you let the spectators choose the images they want to keep, then you DON'T need to adjust the packets/piles in any way at all. No switches or swapping etc etc. Just sit back if you want and let them read about the people they selected, and watch them discover for themselves what the passangers all have in common.
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This sounds like "Split Reality" with different pictures to emulate Derren's "Undertaker" effect.. but I might be wrong.. If so, I guess it's a rip off Split Reality really..
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Considering none of us here discussing this apparently own this effect, I think it would be premature to do anything less than take Dominic at his word. Perhaps one of us could actually purchase it and provide a review before we actually go out and crucify someone. Come on, guys, we're starting to act like the mentalists.

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On 2008-05-31 11:23, Mark Raven wrote:
Come on, guys, we're starting to act like the mentalists.

Mark


ARGGGGGGGG!!!

<<quickly starts taking a shower in hydrochloric acid and uses a steel wool brush to begin washing off the taint>>

ARGGGGGGGGH!!!!

Actually, the idea of getting it sounds good! As I said, it looks familiar and was hoping someone would shed light on this (someone who owns it)...

Heck, I might take the plunge since I own a few versions of FROM HELL... let me go coint my 1888 pennies and see if I can scrape up some $ to do so...
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I've just had a group mail from a well known UK based bizarrist who states that this doesn't use the Paul Curry principle, and that the effect was a personal routine for many years before Dan's excellent work.
So I guess it's time to flex that plastic for me... Smile
Review soon!
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Good deal. I'm looking forward to what you both have to say. I'm interested, just broke at the moment. All my extra money went into plane fare for this summer. Let's just hope my plane doesn't do a Titanic. Man, I hate flying.
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OK - not a review (haven't performed it yet), but an update having read the material.
There is a nice new 'wrinkle' associated here, although I have to say the method may not suit many as much as the standard OOTW.
The materials included are excellent - really really excellent.
Jim Critchlow's manuscript is well credited and uniformally brilliant throughout; the cards themselves, with the background stories attached are fascinating. They will generate a huge ammount of interest in any close up performance.
In the UK £30 is a fair price; for the boys in the US? I'm a little concerned it may be too much if you already have Dan's work, especially with postage costs.

More to follow (gigging Friday night - will perform there after show in bar).
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I'm thinking about getting this as well. That is in spite of me having From Hell v2 AND v3 already.. Smile

Thanks for the quick overview of the thing, Doc.

One big reason why I all of a sudden consider this one .. is that I got in touch with a collector of Titanic memorabilia earlier today, that has lots of duplicates of reproduced items from the Titanic .. such as ticket's, menu's and a lot of other things..

After that .. I was sort of thinking .. "hmmm... maybe I should get that White Star after all"... I may be able to do a Curator-esque time capsule ! Smile
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