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Magic4You
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Here is the real origin of Copperfields Death Saw Illusion. It came from March 1965 Linking ring Magazine. Copperfield claims he invented this and this proves he is wrong. The whole routine for this illusion is in Genii Magazine September 1969. the article is titled the magic of Japan.
Here is the link for the copy of the Sawing.
http://jldmagic.com/jld_magic_site_002.htm

Copperfield has claimed he is the inventor and that he has exclusive Property rights. What do you think????
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I think that he built upon an illusion and made a better copy. I believe that he has sole rights to the version that he performed. Who knows, maybe he bought the rights from this inventor. Either way if someone else performs this illusion they will be labeled a Copperfield wannabe. Just my two cents.

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Hi BYUDAD,

A better copy?
I thought, "copy" is another word for rip off, knock off etc.
Be careful that you don´t have some Canadian breathing down your neck Smile Smile

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Very interesting ...

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Interesting indeed!! Copperfield used the same method no matter what improvements he made...Logic would dictate that he doesn't then own the method as it well predates his version??
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I'm trying to find my copy of the Genii article Magic of Japan. The entire routine of the saw tower inching down before an escape is in the desciption. Also remember, I personally was invited backstage when I showed him a picture of my original See Thru Sawing and he basically told me he invented his and I cannot build mine. Then one day he called me and offered me $30,000 to never build mine again. I said maybe for a couple years and he said forever. I refused then we got into the attorney thing.
My attorney explained the Linking Ring issues and he denied it. Later he contacted a casino where Carl Carlton was working and threatened the casino with a lawsuit and that canceled the order. If that is not interference and probably illegal, I don't know one. Just because he is David Copperfield did not give him the right when mine was different. My link is http://jldmagic.com/jld_magic_site_015.htm
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On 2008-05-30 05:14, Dixie wrote:
Hi BYUDAD,

A better copy?
I thought, "copy" is another word for rip off, knock off etc.

Dixie

But if DC bought it will not be a rip off. If it was a rip off there would of been a lawsuit by now.
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I hate to break somebody's bubble, but I heard a very funny story once (from Andre Kole) about he and David in a hotel room figuring out the positions for the saw, when a maid walked in. Needless to say, would have been funny to see.

Could this have been a case of coming up with a similar method? It has happened before. Although I do realize that there will be those who will say nonsense. To each his own, but aren't there better things for magicians to do than sit around and accuse other magicians of things and talk bad about them all the time.

Come on people, the Café should be used to further magic, not tear it down.

Dave
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What Jeff - Magic4You says is absolutely correct - The proof is irrefutable. It supports his position as a builder to legally build a duplicate.

What Copperfield has a right to (in my humble opinion) is the design appearance and routining. True, he and his people dug up a very old trick. And then spent a lot of money designing the look and feel of not only the prop, but the added elements of the clock/time sequence, the tower for the saw, the lighting, staging, musical arrangements, etc. Did they invent any of it? No. Was it a masterful, artist vision to bring the elements together? Yes!

If somebody wants a "death saw", more power to them. But come up with your own routine, and don't just imitate Copperfield.

My 2˘

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Dave,
I think the point is that DC is not letting anyone perform this illusion, and if in fact he did NOT invent it and it is as you can see more or less public domain, then it is a cause for concern. So the right of this Café is to further magic correct, so then this topic is correct. If Jeff's version is different than Copperfields he should be allowed to build. If his version is the same as posted in the 1965 linking ring then it should be fine to build. don't try and tell me that I can all of a sudden get a heap of money and claim to buy the rights for the thin model sawing and prevent everyone from doing it. This subject is not about tearing down magic it is as I see all about furthering it. Until we come up with a bottom line on this it should continue on.
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Justin

Chris Your on Point! I knew I liked you! LOL
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If anyone has a copy of the Genii magazine September 1969 please post it. If everyone were to see the Tower and the describtion used in the article "The Magic of Japan", Copperfield has it too close to have made this up. I believe his friend Don Wayne and He and Kole probably saw this in the magazine and went from there. The basic description is The saw blade inches slowly down the tower and the magician escapes before the blade a slit second before the blade malfuctions.

The article shows a picture of the performace. No way they made it up. But the sad thing is they cost me money unfairly and for years have interfered with my version which uses One Person. A Picture is on my site at:http://jldmagic.com/jld_magic_site_015.htm
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I see on your site you state that origami is now public domain...? Is that true?
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Ok, I just saw the the whole topic about the origami under the "origami now public domain".
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I think Magic4u has a BIG point!

Yes DC has put the work in on the illusion but the idea has come from a guy in 1969. DC claims it as his own idea but what about plans in 1969.

I would like to know the guys name from 1969!!!
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On 2008-05-31 07:35, bp wrote:
I would like to know the guys name from 1969!!!


It is David Copperfield! LOL!
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For what it’s worth the story I heard went something like this:
David Copperfield and team went thru the Magic Castle's private library looking for ideas; there they found the March 1965 Linking Ring article. From that and other sources the Death Saw was born.

The article in question says nothing about using a big saw blade on a timer descending every second as a person escapes.
Plus the gimmick is changed a bit making it more workable with DC's need to lay down fast without a ton of fuss.

Many illusions are created out of a combination of ideas making a new effect; an effect no one thought of before.
I personally would get permission from the various magicians who created the various components needed to create my new idea/routine but once I rcceived their approval I would lay claim to what came of the total combination of those ideas, not the individual ideas.

As for the Andre Kole part it's obvious he created the Table of Death and that was the plot line they use in the Death Saw. You know, the escape from death before something goes wrong. But it does go wrong yet the magician lives plot.

I am not trying to defend DC. Just merely shedding some light on the peaks and valleys of our art form.

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BP,
on my site I have the scan of the whole article. I believe the guy is Rakshit. He was from India.
Jeff
My site is http://www.jldmagic.com
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Lance,
The Genii Sept 1969 has the whole routine used by Copperfield. I originally thought that Copperfield may have done what you say but the Genii article has the exact thing. In the photo is a Tower with a smaller Blade. the guy is strapped to the table. The article says that he must escape before the blade comes all the way down. I believe it also has a malfunction mentioned. They probably found that magazine too. Where did you hear that because he has always denied it and claimed to have invented it? No excuses.
Jeff
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Jeff: Bravo !!! You posted the facts with proof.. Yet some posts defend the lie !!..
Todays The Day.
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Can we see the photo?

Then you are underlining the FACTS!!

Some GREAT Work magic4you and it makes us all think?
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