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I watch the card warp final part demo,

There are nothing special,who know how to do card warp,after watch the demo,they know how to do it.

also,not a big surprise ending for spectator
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I performed this ending and they were in fact surpirsed. Now in my finish, I tear the card up and restore it. But, ulness you perform the ending on the DVD for real people, you can't judge how they will react.
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I watched the DVD again today. I just love the way Paul Green performs. He so natural.
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I saw Paul Green lecture twice...and found him to be a great guy with great material. I really enjoyed his lectures. I only know Mike Weber from some of his published routines.

That being said, John Lovick reviewed the Card Warp DVD in question in the Sept. issue of Magic magazine and after his extensive research on the ending of this version of card warp, he determined it belonged to Mike Weber and recommended to not buy the DVD.

I hope all is eventually cleared up.

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How does this ending compare with Michael Ammars presentation on ETMCM2?

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...Ammar's
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On 2008-09-01 21:55, TAJ wrote:
How does this ending compare with Michael Ammars presentation on ETMCM2?

Taj


The display "Finale" is how it differs.

Even if you don't want to do the display, this DVD is a chance to see one of the best, working professionals, use a classic of magic to entertain a live audience. If you do or want to do strolling magic, you can see exactly how this would play.
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It would be hard to top the clean, examinable finish, as in Ammar's presentation. What more could you possibly add? except maybe a kicker? or flourish?

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I feel as if I am most hated person in Magic (not withstanding J. B.). The loss of friends and reputation is punishment enough.

Respectfully,

Paul Green"


I cant believe the way people react, and this all about the ending of a magic effect. Lets put things in perspective.
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It so funny. I remember seeing Paul Green's "Above, Beside or Below" and I recognized that his handling was nearly identical to my own! I discussed this with Paul. He and I had never met and before buying In The Trenches, I had never met or seen Paul perform. So how could this be? First of all, who cares? But the fact is that Paul and I perform close-up in similar situations and came upon a common solution to perform an effect we like. His version ended up on his teaching video, mine was relegated to my act. My point is that two people can come to the same or similar solutions to a problem.

In my opinion, Paul Green is a gracious performer and a nice guy. I feel that this “Who’s move is it anyway?” is moot since neither created Card Warp, and each man may remember their exchange his own way. I’ve done things that I came up with independently and had people say “Oh that’s So-and-So’s move.” And I thought “Really? I never seen or met So-and-So.” So does it become incumbent for me to figure out who else in the magic world may have had a similar idea, if I decide to publish my move? Some may say “Yes!”, I say “Horse-poop.”

I happen to really like Card Warp, I like Paul’s “In the Trenches”, even though the only thing I do from it is my own routine. So I might just buy this DVD to see what the fuss is about.
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On 2008-09-02 11:29, sokarnl wrote:

I cant believe the way people react, and this all about the ending of a magic effect. Lets put things in perspective.


No, it's somebody's living. If Pepsi stole Coke's recipe, it would be (and SHOULD be) a big deal. The only perspective this needs to be put in is one other than yours, as it is just a magic trick to you just as Coke is simply a drink.

But, as to Carlo's post, which is why I was posting, it's not quite that simple Carlo. If you had met somebody, they had shown you their effect (or variation of an effect), then you sold it years later, would you be shocked if they were upset? What if you honestly didn't remember them showing you but the person who showed you (along with several others) remembered?

That is what this was about. I was happy to bow out and let them work things out themselves but, and this is why I was so vocal before, it's easy to make excuses why this kind of thing is ok but then you can't complain when people simply decide not to share anything.

So I will simply say "Who's move is is anyways?" is neither moot nor unimportant. I know firsthand creators who have watched their creations get ***ized and/or stolen and their response is to simply stop sharing their creations, which I think is worse for us all in the long run. I'm not saying that is what happened here, just that we have to be very careful coming with arguments one way or the other.

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On 2008-09-02 11:29, sokarnl wrote:

I cant believe the way people react, and this all about the ending of a magic effect. Lets put things in perspective.


No, it's somebody's living. If Pepsi stole Coke's recipe, it would be (and SHOULD be) a big deal. The only perspective this needs to be put in is one other than yours, as it is just a magic trick to you just as Coke is simply a drink.

But, as to Carlo's post, which is why I was posting, it's not quite that simple Carlo. If you had met somebody, they had shown you their effect (or variation of an effect), then you sold it years later, would you be shocked if they were upset? What if you honestly didn't remember them showing you but the person who showed you (along with several others) remembered?

That is what this was about. I was happy to bow out and let them work things out themselves but, and this is why I was so vocal before, it's easy to make excuses why this kind of thing is ok but then you can't complain when people simply decide not to share anything.

So I will simply say "Who's move is is anyways?" is neither moot nor unimportant. I know firsthand creators who have watched their creations get ***ized and/or stolen and their response is to simply stop sharing their creations, which I think is worse for us all in the long run. I'm not saying that is what happened here, just that we have to be very careful coming with arguments one way or the other.

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Lem, I see your point.

My father always said "Once more than one person knows something, it's no longer a secret." I'm sure that man took plenty to his grave.

I think theft of an idea is terrible, but I have seen some "original" ideas that turned out to be based on or identical to a much older "original" ideas that were based on even older "original" ideas, if you see my point. Any students of magic history will attest that origins are at best nebulous. Who first thought of producing a rabbit? Who first thought to use a bag to load a hat? Was it really their idea when they published it?

There is a deep philosophical debate over ethics and morals in magic and the mystery arts, and while I have no quarrel with those who DO care; with probably more than half my life behind me, I just find “Whose move is it anyway?” a useless pursuit. I know we’re talking about peoples lively hoods; but what is the relative value of this? How much financial loss has this cost Mr. Weber? Has it cost him anything? And again, we don’t know that this was a case of an idea being appropriated by someone else for financial gain. And why do these things become so public? Mr. Weber and Mr. Green apparently know each other, why was Mike Close and our cast of characters privy to this? Was this the Peoples Court of magic; am I Judge Wapner?
Stay tuned for this and many other answers! (farce)

If this type of incident would stop creative people from sharing their ideas, then let that be the outcome. When I saw Armando Lucero’s coin matrix handling, I told him he ought to take it to the grave with him. I’m all for people keeping secrets Smile

Again, I can see your point, and I don’t really differ with you aside from angst.

In fact I think I have discovered another idea, that I had and is on the market by someone else. When the time comes for ME to publish MY idea, it's too late for me to take credit because again someone will say "That's So-and-so's"; and no matter how much I object, or claim otherwise there are those who would, without doubt bash me to bits over it. It is in fact something I showed Brad Henderson on one of his visits to the Woodstock area with Just Alan. Sadly enough, in this business he who speaks first owns the idea. I don't think that is what happened here, nor is it the case with my idea (I believe that they both are innocent coincidence). I'm just going to take Mr. Green at his word.

Paul, would you be willing to submit to a polygraph?
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Lol, a polygraph.

I liked your post, Carlo. I also hope you know I wasn't dismissing your point of view when I posted, I was merely sharing why I thought it was a slippery slope.

Uh-oh, an actually civil conversation between people who have differing opinions. This whole thread could get deleted now, we'd better get rude fast...

Um... uh... Oh, I got it:

I bet your magic is like your reasoning: clear and direct.

Darn, that isn't even an insult. I must be losing my touch.

In all seriousness, thanks for the post, I'm going to think a bit about this now.
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On 2009-03-12 18:38, Lemniscate wrote:
Lol, a polygraph.

I liked your post, Carlo. I also hope you know I wasn't dismissing your point of view when I posted, I was merely sharing why I thought it was a slippery slope.

Uh-oh, an actually civil conversation between people who have differing opinions. This whole thread could get deleted now, we'd better get rude fast...

Um... uh... Oh, I got it:

I bet your magic is like your reasoning: clear and direct.

Darn, that isn't even an insult. I must be losing my touch.

In all seriousness, thanks for the post, I'm going to think a bit about this now.

Lem, thanks man.

I always find your posts to be very logical and well thought out, even when they point out the flaw or flaws, or are simply a differing perspective to my own thinking.

I liked your Pepsi and Coke analogy, however do you imagine they compare notes on the side steal?

We magicians seem quick to play you show me yours; I'll show you mine and then get peeved when ours get shown to someone else by another. (I have to admit, I loved writing that, just wish I could have used ****ed instead of peeved.)

Keep thinking man, it’s healthy, but don’t think too much, it becomes obstructive.
Peace - Carlo
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I'm glad this thread got resurrected. I put on the DVD again just to watch Paul Green work. Man, is he smooth.

Paul's getting into the routine is beautiful.

Michael Weber and Paul Green are both great people and I hope they have continued their long term friendship.
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For those interested in a review, here's my specific review on My Lovely Assistant's website:

Card Warp Finale
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On 2008-06-09 21:07, mclose wrote:
No. Richard Myer's addition allows the spectators to see three-quarters of the card change as the card is pushed back and forth.

It's a thing of beauty, and it fools me every time I do it. (And I do this trick a lot.)

Close


Could someone clarify for me...Is the optical illusion display from Richard Myer's in the Card Warp Finale DVD by Paul Green or in the Michael Close bill version?

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On 2008-06-09 21:07, mclose wrote:
No. Richard Myer's addition allows the spectators to see three-quarters of the card change as the card is pushed back and forth.

It's a thing of beauty, and it fools me every time I do it. (And I do this trick a lot.)

Close


Could someone clarify for me...Is the optical illusion display from Richard Myer's in the Card Warp Finale DVD by Paul Green or in the Michael Close bill version?

jeff


The display is not on Paul's dvd. You can find it on Close's "Dr. Stangetrick" version. It's on "L&L's Greatest" featuring Card Warp.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been"

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Thanks for the info Chris...much appreciated.

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Jeff, my pleasure. Have fun learning and performing the effect!
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been"

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