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See below from the Daily Mail (The Daily Express also mentioned Tarot Readers and computer readings)
Anybody???
:)

Mystics face checks in blitz on swindlers to protect public

By Beth Hale
Last updated at 10:39 PM on 26th May 2008

The biggest overhaul in consumer protection laws for 40 years came into force yesterday to protect the public from rogue traders.
From now on all businesses - from fairground fortune tellers to double-glazing salesmen - are under a legal duty not to trade unfairly.
The regulations ban the use of misleading statements, fake credentials and aggressive sales practices.
FORTUNE TELLER
The future may not be bright for fortunetellers under new rules
And astrologers, mediums and fortunetellers will no longer be able to claim their services are "experimentally proven".
If they make any claim at all, they will have to say their services are for "entertainment only".
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Simply claim to be using traditional, time honored techniques of divination.

Nothing in that statement is misleading, fake or aggressive.
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Do churches have to post "For Entertainment Only" on the outside? If not, I foresee a lot of problems in selectively enforcing this kind of law. Of course, I am not an expert in UK legal system though.

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On 2008-06-02 20:22, Lemniscate wrote:
Do churches have to post "For Entertainment Only" on the outside? If not, I forsee a lot of problems in seletively enforcing this kind of law. Of course, I am not an expert in UK legal system though.

Lem


I'm with you on this one! Billy Graham "For Entertainment Purposes Only" .... Probably wouldn't work too well here in the US!
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Billy was pretty entertaining though.
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On 2008-06-02 20:10, teejay wrote:
See below from the Daily Mail (The Daily Express also mentioned Tarot Readers and computer readings)
Anybody???
:)

Mystics face checks in blitz on swindlers to protect public

By Beth Hale
Last updated at 10:39 PM on 26th May 2008

The biggest overhaul in consumer protection laws for 40 years came into force yesterday to protect the public from rogue traders.
From now on all businesses - from fairground fortune tellers to double-glazing salesmen - are under a legal duty not to trade unfairly.
The regulations ban the use of misleading statements, fake credentials and aggressive sales practices.
FORTUNE TELLER
The future may not be bright for fortunetellers under new rules
And astrologers, mediums and fortunetellers will no longer be able to claim their services are "experimentally proven".
If they make any claim at all, they will have to say their services are for "entertainment only".


Can you post link to this article?
Good Thoughts.


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"For entertainment purposes only" should also be a disclaimer made by most politicians running for office. Smile
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All the real (non-mentalist) readers I know, welcome this change.
"There are times when the truth is necessary and times when myth-making is necessary." Nick Cave
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On 2008-06-03 03:57, Harris0n wrote:
All the real (non-mentalist) readers I know, welcome this change.


Sorry everybody. I should have posted the articles that I have now linked.
When members read them they will see that some of the mails so far have been off target. Take Harrison,s one, quoted above.
All the real (non-mentalist) readers (UK) will now have to tell the people that they are FAKE readers.
:)
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This has to be one of the most peculiar things I have heard in a long while. Reminds me of how the UK has banned their citizens basic right to buy vitamins over the counter. ITs Hogwash!.. The vatamin thing didn't work here in the states, we wouldn't allow it back in the 80's.. don't think these new UK laws will work here either. Granted I do feel that it is at least some sort of effort on governments part to help the average citizan- ::I dunno::
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You can buy vitamins in the UK OTC.

Basically, this is a big new consumer protection law covering lots of areas. What it needs is a high profile test case with a medium who genuinely does it for real to see if it's good legislation or whether it's been drafted in haste like that stupid Terrorism Act.
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On 2008-06-03 04:14, teejay wrote:
All the real (non-mentalist) readers (UK) will now have to tell the people that they are FAKE readers.
:)


This is simply not true. To quote the lawyer in the Times article you linked to:

"Personalised services may also come under scrutiny. A tarot pack reader, for instance, cannot just pick one of several templates – it would have to be a proper reading designed for that person."

I was interviewed by my local paper about this a month or so ago. The opinion of the majority of psychic readers in the resulting article was that the change is a good thing and only fraudulent psychics have anything to fear.

Many 'occult' shops have had the "for entertainment purposes" disclaimer in store for years. Customers tend to ignore the disclaimers as being just the "legal bit" that has to be there.
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Fortune telling was illegal in the UK BUT a policeman told me that
as long as you didn't actually say FORTUNE TELLING you were OK. If
challenged by the law you could say anything else but that and you were OK. A case of
letter of the law literally. You could say Tarot Reading/Palmistry/Reading the Future etc.
Not many people challenge you but this new law insists that you tell them up front that you are not for REAL
I don't think it will make much difference to the punters but the police is an other matter. The trick will be to use a disclaimer that will not put the punters
off but keep the police happy.
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Consumer Protection Regulations Act 2008 brings together several issues of trading standards and in doing so (I believe) repeals the 1951 Fraudulent Mediums Act, which in turn repealed the Witchcraft Act of 1751. Since the Enlightenment, there's been a steady shift from persecuting "witches" (for want of a better term) to seeing their activities as a consumer matter.

It looks like Trading Standards will have to prove that a medium is doing something other than what they say they are for unfair gain, which could be incredibly difficult. It's probably going to be used against conmen who tell you Auntie Florie wants you to give the nice lady ten thousand pounds, etc. Frankly, for regular, honest workers, it looks like just hanging a small sign saying "Caveat Emptor" on the booth will do.

I could find out some more details from the tame copper who runs our local quiz league if anyone is really worried.
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Jon

I believe you've summed it up quite neatly.
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On 2008-06-03 05:01, Harris0n wrote:
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On 2008-06-03 04:14, teejay wrote:
All the real (non-mentalist) readers (UK) will now have to tell the people that they are FAKE readers.
:)


*snip*

I was interviewed by my local paper about this a month or so ago. The opinion of the majority of psychic readers in the resulting article was that the change is a good thing and only fraudulent psychics have anything to fear.




So that's all of them then.
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Please elaborate Harry H.
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I think Harry H made his point quite clearly in that he obviously believes that there is no such thing as a real psychic. Personally, I wouldn't go so far and would merely leave it at the fact that I have never seen a "real psychic".

I love Mr. X's quote.

Jon has provided a lot of information. If he is correct, then this is pretty much what I thought, a hollow law that will only matter to the very simplest of "fortune-tellers" (notice how I refrained from making a judgement on real or fake, as that is a totally different topic).

However, and let me stress this, relying on press articles as to the actual content and meaning of a law is highly risky at best and complete self-delusion at the worst. In any article on a topic I am educated about, newspaper articles have made horrific assumptions and terrible "typos" in the interest of making the articles more interesting.

Personally, I would be very appreciative if JT would speak to his "tame copper" friend. Here's another interesting difference between US and UK. In the US, police officers cannot offer feedback on the laws, merely whether you have broken them. Breakdown of the laws can only come from those in the legal field, at least in California. I never knew this until I asked a classmate in my MBA course (he was a police sergeant).

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Interesting to note, the link for the Mail has a link for your daily horoscope....with no disclaimer....
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