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Vlad_77
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Bill,

Thank you for the clarification on the Ralph Read manuscript. I had not known about the Tom Osbourne story.

Best,
Vlad
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I just watched most of Vol. 2 of the School for Scoundrels DVD on the Shell Game. Awesome stuff! Whit, Chef Anton, and Bob Sheets leave nothing out and give you advanced moves never seen before on video. This set focuses heavily on a "Two Pea" technique and they explain how to get the second pea in and out of play. You also get to see a demo of the "Sheets Stack" also available from SfS.

They refer back heavily on the work of Vol. 1, but in many cases they review and then elaborate on the previous volume. If you're familiar with the work on Vol. 1 you'll do fine, but even if you aren't you won't be completely lost. However, you will want to eventually pick up Vol. 1 to get some better explanations of what you missed.

Also included on the 2 DVD set, along with PDF files of some rather obscure manuscripts, is a repeat of Bob Sheets' "Absolutely Nuts" video for those who missed it the first time.

That might be what Denny and Lee is advertising. Either they're adding the old video to any order of the first DVD, or they're simply mentioning that "Absolutely Nuts" is included in the new set.

You'll even see a familiar name in the credits... ME! The DVD menus have photos of actual workers in action around the world, some of them shot by yours truly during my visits to Copenhagen in the past years.

The DVDs will be available very soon on Whit's site at http://www.scoundrelsstore.com
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I LOVE Phil Cass's presentation of the Pea and Shell game, it's pure entertainment, one of the funniest ever. I had it on VHS from many years back, and I am about to buy in again on DVD, which led me to this thread Smile
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It's important to remember that there are different types of "strolling" magic.

If you are doing magic at the (restaurant) table, which some call "table hopping (insert bad visual image here), then you probably won't have any place to put the cups or shells. If you are working at a corporate gig, you have a larger choice of options. You can carry a small table or work at one of the various surfaces that are available ath the venue,

So you might want to consider these factors.

Also, there are angles of visibility to consider. Learn where the bad spots are.
"The Swatter"

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I think that we worry too much about the feelings of the volunteers. If you use several people in your routine, none Feels that they are being picked out to look stupid.
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If you buy some shells fron 3shells Al provides some really good (alternative) handling tips in his pdfs and videos that come with the purchase
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I recently did one hour at a corporate dinner for employees and significant others going from table to table doing the three shell game on a doubled over cloth napkin that I laid on the table. People had a chance to win a $20 dollar bill. 12 tables. 4 1/2 minutes at each table. Emphasis was on getting people at tables to interact. Fun time!
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Read was just the editor. The publisher, Mike Kanter, was upset with Tom Osbourne, whom he considered anti-semitic. He took his name off the book, and put his own name as the author. He even signed the forward with his own name.
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I like the Sal Piacente video.

IMO, you can do it as a con game or you can change the patter to tell a tale of woe to change the flavor. I like the shell game, but I don't like "abusing" the audience.
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I love to abuse the audience, especially the assisting spectator. It is the best part. It is the most fun for the audience. Conflict is the heart and soul of the shell game.


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On Apr 29, 2020, Pop Haydn wrote:
I love to abuse the audience, especially the assisting spectator.


I don't think that you abused the spectator. IMO, you just had fun with her. Your attitude was not abusive. I've seen guys work the game that you just wanted to punch them in the kisser Smile
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It is the conflict, the fight, that makes it interesting. You also have to make it fun and playful. But you need the conflict and the competitiveness in my opinion.
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Absolutely love Pop's routine. I also like Bob Sheet's shell and pea routine, where after fooling with a spectator, he says "we're just playing for love (ie not money) here". I know this is a long way from the OP; but I really enjoyed it. Lynn
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Hi everyone, I love the Cups and balls and the 3 shells. They are definitely good tricks for strolling, if there are tables. Not sure why you can't learn both. Check out this video I just released, my professional cups and balls routine. There is a link to my new website where you can learn, for free. It is my version of Williamson's amazing Cups and Balls Routine which I learned off his VHS tape 20 years ago. Tweaked and changed it to fit my style. I'm actually going to sell those cups, just got new ones. Been performing the routine for a long time. Let me know what you think please.
https://youtu.be/V03uSTS7nOc

In terms of shells all those routines you mentioned aren't practical. Bob Sheets is a master, soooooo unbelievable, yet way too advanced. Same with Sal, amazing yet uses moves that I don't think are necessary. Here is my professional Shells routine- very basic, very simple, been performing it for years. 3 phases is enough. After that your spectators will start guessing.
https://youtu.be/A2bXrOwRbCk
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It's important to consider your ability to "sell" a given routine. A trick that I'm able to use to move an audience might not work for you, and vice-versa.

I've done my chop cup routine for about 50 years. I know how to get the most out of it, how to cover all the technical details, and, as a byproduct, what to do on that odd occasion when something goes desperately wrong.

To give you an idea of what I mean, find a video of Pop Haydn doing his four ring routine. I know he's done that routine for several decades. Every word, every gesture has been honed to perfection.

So pick a routine and work with it until it's as natural as breathing. Then you won't be asking questions that have been re-hashed in this forum so often.
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