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I am seeking the necessary gimmicks to perform this beautiful effect, as detailed by Jim Steinmeyer in "The Magic of Alan Wakeling".
It utilizes a gimmicked zombie-style glass (these are tall taperless glasses) with a bottomless nesting insert.
Originally, this gimmick came with an old effect called "Liquid Appear".

Any leads would be much appreciated as, so far, I've had no luck in locating them.
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I had to reread the description to be sure what you needed.

I would go to a party store and get some disposable plastic glass. The try to find a glass that fits it. Try restuarant supply houses.

Hoe that helps.

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Richard is right. I actually have a set of the original "Liquid Appear" glasses which I was able to snag from Magic Inc. here in Chicago. When I went back to ask if they had any more, they suggested a similar thing as Richard.

Experiment with party glasses that nest smoothly. Cut out the bottom of one and you're all set.
When I do my Magic of Music show which uses the Wakeling illusion, I carry a set of the homemade glasses just in case the acetate ones in my original set break.

It's a great effect. Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions. I've done the routine for several years and have had great luck with it.
All the best and good luck
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Bazar de Magia currently markets an effect called "Comedy Glass in Paper Cone" which uses the exact same gimmicked glass as in the old Liquid Appear (but made much nicer from the looks of the demo video).

Unfortunately not in the tall style 'zombie' glass as specified in the Wakeling routine but this glass should work .

http://www.murphysmagic.com/Comedy-Glass......ia-Trick
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Thanks for the info. Worth checking out.
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And if anyone is still looking here is another source for the necessary type of glass for Liquid Sands :

http://trickproduction.com/000000967413a......c16.html
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David,
Thanks for providing that info. Have you seen one of these glasses? The original model that Wakeling talks about was put out by Magic Inc. (at least I think that's the source).
I know I purchased the last 3 glasses they had back 7 years ago when I first discovered this illusion.
However, the glasses were more of a cheaper looking restaurant variety.

The one's described in your last post appear to be cut glass.

That could really dress things up nicely.
Thanks again.

Carrington
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I have the perfect glasses and am working on a process to create the perfect shells. I will keep you posted.

Jay
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Jay,,

You've got my attention!!! Please keep me posted...ok?

Looking forward to seeing what you've come up with.

Carrington
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I'd be interested as well!

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On 2008-09-21 00:45, Jay Mahon wrote:
I have the perfect glasses and am working on a process to create the perfect shells. I will keep you posted.

Jay


I'm interested as well, Jay.
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On 2008-09-20 01:09, amazingcarrington wrote:
David,
Thanks for providing that info. Have you seen one of these glasses? The original model that Wakeling talks about was put out by Magic Inc. (at least I think that's the source).
I know I purchased the last 3 glasses they had back 7 years ago when I first discovered this illusion.
However, the glasses were more of a cheaper looking restaurant variety.

The one's described in your last post appear to be cut glass.

That could really dress things up nicely.
Thanks again.

Carrington


No, I haven't seen those glasses up close. I've only seen the ad, but I think you're right that they appear to be real glass. (at least the glass part , but not the feke) . The Bazar de Magia "glass" is plastic, but it's fine for what it is . Just not very elegant looking.

Of course neither were most of the glasses that were put out with the old "Liquid Appear" (I never saw a version made by Magic Inc. The only Liquid Appear I had/have is the one that was put out by D. Robbins' EZ Magic . Plain, but got the job done. The one I still have has a slightly yellowed feke. I'd be interested in getting a version that used something very clear , and very unbreakable like lexan . )
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David,

You're correct about the Robbin's EZ Magic version of glasses. They tend to yellow with age plus they were somewhat smaller in size.

The glasses that were available from Magic Inc. were larger and much nicer. Still plastic but a thicker and better made glass.
I spoke with Greg from Abbott's and he thought that Abbott's had actually made those for Magic Inc. The gimmicked addition to the glass was an acetate material and in the case of the ones I own, have stayed clear and avoided the yellowing.

I asked Greg if they could make them again and it seemed as though there wasn't enough demand for them to justify remaking them.

Anyway, I just thought I'd add that info.

All the best.
Carrington
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On 2008-09-25 01:04, amazingcarrington wrote:

I spoke with Greg from Abbott's and he thought that Abbott's had actually made those for Magic Inc. The gimmicked addition to the glass was an acetate material and in the case of the ones I own, have stayed clear and avoided the yellowing.



Who owns the manufacturing rights to Wakeling's material ?

Seems to me that there would be demand for it if someone (Abbott's or whomever) were to actually market the Wakeling routine with the necessary props. Obviously the description in the Wakeling book by Steinmeyer has captivated not a few of us . It's an appealing effect .
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Ted Lesley secured the rights to this from Alan Wakeling before he died. He made up a few sets, then quit. The reason was that he couldn't get anyone to make up a set that didn't leak. It's a messy, unreliable effect if you can't get the precision necessary for the glasses.
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Bill is right about the potential for a mess and a failed illusion if there's any leak.

I have 2 back up glasses but they wouldn't do me any good should something happen in the performance.

Believe me, it's on my mind every time I start the pouring process.

Still, a great illusion.

Carrington
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Ted Lesley secured the rights to this from Alan Wakeling before he died. He made up a few sets, then quit. The reason was that he couldn't get anyone to make up a set that didn't leak. It's a messy, unreliable effect if you can't get the precision necessary for the glasses.


The Bazar De Magia "glass" (in plastic) is well made and won't leak. This is the glass they sell for their "Comedy Glass in Paper Cone" effect . Quite usable for the Wakeling effect that we're talking about , though they are obviously not the taller, straight-sided "zombie" style glasses that Wakeling's routine describes.

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Jay,

Any update on the glasses you mentioned back in September?
And has anyone taken the plunge on the Comedy Glass posted by David Todd?
It's all in the reflexes.
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So I tried it out today and it works! Definitely a cool routine and the glasses work great! I know I'm late to the party but someone can surely get some use out of this!
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Illucifer, Bazar De Magia makes very nice plastic glasses. Completely clear, and not ribs or fluting on the sides to distort the insides. I purchased one for Alan Shaxon's opening number as described in his earlier books.


I see so many problems with this trick as it is dealing with liquids. Namely splashing and dripping of the liquid while pouring. I believe a lot of trial and error would be needed to find the correct height bucket to help control all this pouring.

Unless you are a very good actor, I believe the stirring action is a little overkill to be believable.

In the end, the trick does not sound that amazing or strong, and that is most likely why Wakeling never performed it in his act.
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