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Hansel Inner circle Puerto Rico 2492 Posts 
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On 2008-07-17 21:47, T. Sebastian wrote: that's exactly was I mean...DONT RIDICULED,But if he wants attention...make the way to that!!! If he is screaming and making your show a mess...HE WANTS ATTENTION...So lets bring a little help. Sincerely I do that in every "Evil kids situation" and never the kid go off offensed...maybe happy because you bring attention to him. that's is more about the treat and management of little audience members that you have... Thanks, Hansel!
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Ed_Millis Inner circle Yuma, AZ 2292 Posts
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So if he is acting bad and wants attention and you give it to him, you have just rewarded his obnoxious behavior. What do you thnk he's going to do when the show moves on and he is no longer the center of attention? Or the next time he sees you performing and he wants attention?
I live in an area with many people from another culture. As far as I can tell, their children can do no wrong, and they are protected at every turn from anyone attempting to discipline them. Any punishment is met with cries of prejudice and racism. The most severe punishment they dish out is "Darling - no - stop that." Let me physically lay a hand on such a child to separate one of my props from him and I can be jailed or worse! I personally think there is a time to simply tell the whole audience "I'm sorry, but I can not continue because this person is totally disrupting my performance. I apologize for having to stop my show, but I'm not legally allowed to stop him." And then you pack up and leave. If the audience cares about your performance, they will stop the misbehaving one and request that you stay and finish. If they don't care that much, then why stay there and perform? I would never have let any of my four kids be that disruptive and disrespectful, nor make any performer suffer through their bad behavior. Why would I want to present myself to people who lack the basic element of respect to abuse me like that? You have no control over any part of the situation except whether you stay and perform. Leaving is your only weapon - use it if you must. And make sure that if this is a contracted gig that there is a clause in the contract allowing you to decide if performance conditions are too demanding and if so leave with full payment. Again, I do not perform on the streets. And I no longer do birthday parties here for this same reason. So it may be that I am just hiding from own lack of ability to control an audience. Please factor that into my reply. Ed |
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KC Cameron Inner circle Raleigh, North Carolina 1944 Posts
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I think the goal of the magician in this situation is generally short term, "How do I get through this show!" and not worry about the future. But the future is important, not with just that kid, but how your audience perceives you. Your audience is full of potential gigs. Personally, I think prevention is much easier and professional than a cure. It has been very successful for me.
Everyone's situation is different, so what one has to deal with can be different from another - even in the same area. Walking out of a show can appear unprofessional, and that would have to be weighed against staying. I would ask parents from that culture what to do to keep control of the kids - maybe you may get some useful information. |
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Hansel Inner circle Puerto Rico 2492 Posts
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On 2008-07-18 13:32, Ed_Millis wrote: Ed: I see your point, but you mention here people of other cultures...very good! In the culture that I work: Puertorricans, if I said: I cant continue with my show... THE AUDIENCE COMPLETE EAT YOU!! Now only you don't have the problem with the Evil Child, now you have problem with an Evil audience!! And don't have doubt if probably they say to you the VERY BAD AND ERRONEUM but popular phrase of: Treat with that children is YOUR work... Thanks, Hansel!
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T. Sebastian Loyal user Ozark Mountains, USA 223 Posts
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Ed makes a very good point.
And it is where I am torn. I cannot bring myself to reward horrible behaviour. This goes against every one of my parenting principles. But, I can't rightly tell someone else how to be a parent either. And I certainly cannot discipline their child for them. Conundrum.
So sorry I soiled your precious eyes.
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Joseph_Then Special user 747 Posts
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All your trick should always cater to 'evil' kids.
Always think: "What if the kid snatch the trick, screams at you, runs up, etc. at the most critical stage of the trick?" |
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts
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No. I consider that part of being a professional and part of learning proper crowd control. My routines are all geared for the best entertainment value only.
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Joseph_Then Special user 747 Posts
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I must have phrased it wrongly.
I know what you mean Kyle, all routines should be maximised for best entertainment for all. But, always be prepared for naughty kids who may disturb your show so that you do not look stunned or look lost when it really happens. That's what I mean.  |
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Ed_Millis Inner circle Yuma, AZ 2292 Posts
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There will always be circumstances - children! - beyond our control. If one is to make entertaining children the primary career goal, then one should study all the ways in which to control and direct even the most difficult children.
My oldest son is a teacher, and got thrown into a 5th/6th grade class for an entire school year! He was able to win over almost every child to his side by the end of the year. Those are the kind of kid control secrets I want to learn. I understand Hansel's point - from the perspective of those who hired you, making this work is your job, so do it!! But ask any repairman, contractor, designer, etc. - there may well come a time when you simply have to tell the customer they have put you in an impossible situation and you cannot complete the assignment. If I read Sebastion's original question correctly, though, he's talking about an open-forum performance - street or fair - rather than a private party. If you've been hired for a private party, you have a contract (you _do_ have a contract, don't you??!!) that states your limitations and solutions. But an open-forum venue would be quite different. At a fair, you can perhaps have fair staff on hand to help with crowd control. And you would probably have a contract with the fair management that stipulates your working conditions. On the streets, though, you've totally on your own. I think if these were my choice of venues, I would make every effort to link up with some experienced professionals and simply shadow them for a while. Watch how they handle the crowds and individual people. Ask them all the "what if?" questions you can think of. Again, all this is from the perspective of one who does not perform on the streets or at massive children't birthday parties for all the reasons that incited this thread. I do have some experience with children and with performing for children. When they are good, it's a wonderful time for all. But when one of them is nasty and evil, it ruins it for everyone. Hey - maybe they would like to assist you in the Great Duct Tape Escape routine! Ed |
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vincentmusician Loyal user Toronto 266 Posts
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Bad kids? Every situation is different. Regardless of what Paul Daniels said, something like, there is no such thing as a bad audience, only a bad performer. He has not done enough house kids Birthday Parties because he was wrong. There are good and bad kids. It could be from parents or other bad kids influencing their behaviour. The solution is not easy. I have walked out on Shows before I even started and told the parents to keep their money because of repeated extreme rudeness from the parents. In 25 years, luckily it has only happened twice.
Only once did I walk out because of kids behaving badly. I have a line that if crossed, I walk. Physical violence is that line. If a kid tries to kick, punch or assault me, which has happened, I walk. You do not have to perform if conditions are not comfortable for you. |
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