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Barnum,
Check this out;

http://www.noonco.com/dunninger/

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Absolutely brilliant - thanks Rennie.
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"Most popular" is a touchy subject as there is more inhabitants in Europe than in the States but there are less inhabitant in each European countries.

Also the implied ambiguity between talent and popularity is disturbing. The quantity of people who "know about" is not a guaranty of excellence (40 million nazis didn't make Hitler right).

I think that fame with the peers is as valid as the popularity with the lay audience (which is more a marketing thing and therefore a language thing as well).

Paul Daniels was already famous everywhere in Europe and in British colonies where British chnnels were selling their programs.
Therefore I think that Fred Kaps should be on the list, but with Vernon, Slydini etc...

Now for the earlier generation I would ask if, next to the great already mentioned in other posts, people like Horace Goldin or Eddie Joseph (who was famous with his peers in India, UK, France, Italy, Germany and the US) or the South African Robert Harbin. Even Pavel may be considered as he had a great entry with his occidental peers but was also recognized in Eastern Europe. What about Rezvani who was known in Persia, Europe and the States? What about Raynali and the Chinese rings?

Does "fame" in English means exactly the same as "popularity". Isn't there a nuance of respect in "fame" which popularity doesn't necessarily include?
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Usually "fame" refers to name and face recognition, not necessarily to "popularity." Neither word has any implication of quality.

For example, Bin Laden is certainly famous everywhere in the world. But in most countries, he is not popular. The same is true of Adolf Hitler. Famous, but not popular, except in some areas that are populated by people with twisted minds.

If we are concerned with fame on the grand scale, peer recognition is not as important a factor as others would be.
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Let us not forget Okito. Or Chung Ling Soo.

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What about John Calvert? Traveled the world has performed for MILLIONS!
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Sadly, he doesn't have the name recognition among the lay people that Mark Wilson has (or had). The difference was regular television exposure.

John will be lecturing in Houston on Feb. 3.
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Speaking of Milbourne Christopher, there's video of him on
http://www.magicvideoblog.com
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On 2008-09-17 12:43, Pete Biro wrote:
During Houdini's era there was a comedy magician MAKING MORE MONEY in vaudeveille and in England... Frank van Hoven.

BTW; Jay Marshall had more appearances on the Sullivan show than Richiardi.

Thanks Pete.
I was just wondering how long it would take before some one mentioned Jay. I believe it was around 14 appearances. Also remember Lefty is retired and living in the Smithsonian.
Ballintine, Brodien, Fantasio (sp.), Shimada. Does Bill Bixby count, or am I slipping into the 80's.
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Lets see - Jay Marshall - Billy Bishop - Roy Benson - Galli Galli - Frackson - Richardi - Calvert - Mark Willson - Al Baker - Jack Gwynne - Chop Chop - Blackstone Jr and Sr. Virgil and Julie - The Great Leon - Fred Keating - Louis Zingone - Okito - Fu Manchu (Okito's son David) T N Downs - Al Flosso - John Scarne - Emil Jarrow - Bert Allerton - Paul LePaul - Cardini - J. Warren Keane - Francis Carlyle - Sam Margules - Mickey MacDougle -

And their are more - The interesting thing is that Jay Marshall knew all of them and my Dad knew most of them.
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On 2008-12-22 12:35, Bill Palmer wrote:
Usually "fame" refers to name and face recognition, not necessarily to "popularity." Neither word has any implication of quality.

For example, Bin Laden is certainly famous everywhere in the world. But in most countries, he is not popular. The same is true of Adolf Hitler. Famous, but not popular, except in some areas that are populated by people with twisted minds.

If we are concerned with fame on the grand scale, peer recognition is not as important a factor as others would be.

I disagree, these two men are infamous, not famous.
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I agree that neither word implies quality, but one certainly implies popularity, while the other implies something entirely different.

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Houdini, Cardini, Richardi, Blackstone the ones my dad remembered.....I wasnt born before 1970 sorry
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There is also a "Lefty" in the Magic Circle Museum in London. I was there when Sandy donated it to the Magic Circle.
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Brodien,

Good one Terry - Marshall Brodien should be named. I think that he is still one of the most famous magicians - and got a lot of people interested in magic doing TV magic cards on television as well as playing Wizo on the WGN Bozo TV show.
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Alexander could be added to the list.
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If you mention Marshall to non-magicians outside of Chicago they are unlikely recognize the name. I know this from my own experience.
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On 2009-02-11 14:02, Bill Palmer wrote:
If you mention Marshall to non-magicians outside of Chicago they are unlikely recognize the name. I know this from my own experience.


That's true Bill. However, if your talking to someone old enough to remember the Sullivan show, mention the white glove that turned into a rabbit or Juan Escadero.
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Oh, yeah.
If you were talking about Marshall Brodien.
I do a routine with a Sevengali deck and joke about "TV Magic Cards".
Again, those old enough know exactly whom I'm talking about and the thirty somethings enjoy it anyway.
BTW, I'm working in a night club, 5 nights a week, out here in Medford, Or.
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I was talking about Marshall Brodien. They remember TV Magic Cards, but they won't remember Marshall's name unless you feed it to them.

Just try this. Go out and ask if anyone remembers who sold the TV Magic Cards on television. If they can tell you, then they are probably magicians.

BTW, few people know how many magic sets Marshall put together for various magicians, movies, etc. I made Marshall's acquaintance at a MCA convention a few years ago. I gave him the username and password to the cups and balls museum, and invited him to visit it. When he finally took the time to visit it, he sent me his set of P&L cups, one of every set of cups that he had worked out for the various magic sets and a couple of 8 by 10 glossies, as Marshall Brodien and as Wizzo.

I also have his biography -- both editions. Marshall's a good guy and has some wonderful stories about the "family" he used to work for so often! Smile
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