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Looking for some opinions on the colour of table since I've already got the cups. I will be using 2 engraved copper Sherwood cups along with the Thomas Wayne coffee chop cup. I've selected some monkey fist balls from The Ambitious Card in blue/sapphire and need to build a table top to go along with the routine. Any suggestions for the colour of the table top? Thanks!

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It sounds like a black table top would look great with the props you mentioned.
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What color are the balls?
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Black table cover.
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I missed the blue/sapphire. Black or grey would be good. Green might clash. Here's an idea. Take the balls to a fabric store. Put them on the various fabrics. See what they look like.
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On 2008-07-18 18:52, Bill Palmer wrote:
I missed the blue/sapphire. Black or grey would be good. Green might clash. Here's an idea. Take the balls to a fabric store. Put them on the various fabrics. See what they look like.


That would a great idea...thanks for it.

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My cups are a rich dark copper color, my balls are either bright red or yellow (depending on my mood) the velvet is green (a little darker than a billiards table green), and the lip of the table is a flat dark red. I use lemons and a coconut for final loads.

I chose my colors to contrast with their background, even from a distance; and all of my colors are consistent throughout my other props as well -to prevent people from being distracted by clashing colors or textures and for a (very basic) "branding" concept.
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This is just out of interest, but besides the actual "look" these colour choices present when coupled together, does anyone ever consider the psychological properties of colours when chosing balls/mats/branding etc?

Take a look here:

http://www.colour-affects.co.uk/psyprop.html

Interesting ideas, when you break things down.
I.e. if you take a commonly found example of a green close up mat and a set of Red balls:

GREEN. Balance
Positive: Harmony, balance, refreshment, universal love, rest, restoration, reassurance, environmental awareness, equilibrium, peace.
Negative: Boredom, stagnation, blandness, enervation.

Green strikes the eye in such a way as to require no adjustment whatever and is, therefore, restful. Being in the centre of the spectrum, it is the colour of balance - a more important concept than many people realise. When the world about us contains plenty of green, this indicates the presence of water, and little danger of famine, so we are reassured by green, on a primitive level. Negatively, it can indicate stagnation and, incorrectly used, will be perceived as being too bland.

RED. Physical
Positive: Physical courage, strength, warmth, energy, basic survival, 'fight or flight', stimulation, masculinity, excitement.
Negative: Defiance, aggression, visual impact, strain.

Being the longest wavelength, red is a powerful colour. Although not technically the most visible, it has the property of appearing to be nearer than it is and therefore it grabs our attention first. Hence its effectiveness in traffic lights the world over. Its effect is physical; it stimulates us and raises the pulse rate, giving the impression that time is passing faster than it is. It relates to the masculine principle and can activate the "fight or flight" instinct. Red is strong, and very basic. Pure red is the simplest colour, with no subtlety. It is stimulating and lively, very friendly. At the same time, it can be perceived as demanding and aggressive.

I.e. could a cups and balls routine drawn from this example demonstrate the actions of the lively, energetic and exciting properties of the little red balls, against a peaceful green background?....

...or are they just balls and a mat?

I just think its interesting and when you think about it, how in a lot of ways this idea of the psychology of colours is incorporated in the decoration of props and various presentations in Magic.

Or is it just me?
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This article is fine as far as it goes; however, it omits the most important part of all of it -- the effect of the contrast of colors.

For example, the easiest print to read is black on yellow. The second easiest is yellow on black, then black on white. Blue against red is no good, because the clash of the colors produces a vibratory effect.
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My second choice would be the dark green material used on billiard tables.
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I haven't broken it down as far as that, but yes -my thinking was along those lines.

I started from the premise "I am not going to wear any of the color black while doing my magic. I don't want to look like David Blaine/Chris Angle..." and I just went from there. The rest of my color palette just suggested itself with that slight inclination.

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On 2008-07-19 09:35, Kipee wrote:
This is just out of interest, but besides the actual "look" these colour choices present when coupled together, does anyone ever consider the psychological properties of colours when chosing balls/mats/branding etc?

Take a look here:

http://www.colour-affects.co.uk/psyprop.html

Interesting ideas, when you break things down.
I.e. if you take a commonly found example of a green close up mat and a set of Red balls:

GREEN. Balance
Positive: Harmony, balance, refreshment, universal love, rest, restoration, reassurance, environmental awareness, equilibrium, peace.
Negative: Boredom, stagnation, blandness, enervation.

Green strikes the eye in such a way as to require no adjustment whatever and is, therefore, restful. Being in the centre of the spectrum, it is the colour of balance - a more important concept than many people realise. When the world about us contains plenty of green, this indicates the presence of water, and little danger of famine, so we are reassured by green, on a primitive level. Negatively, it can indicate stagnation and, incorrectly used, will be perceived as being too bland.

RED. Physical
Positive: Physical courage, strength, warmth, energy, basic survival, 'fight or flight', stimulation, masculinity, excitement.
Negative: Defiance, aggression, visual impact, strain.

Being the longest wavelength, red is a powerful colour. Although not technically the most visible, it has the property of appearing to be nearer than it is and therefore it grabs our attention first. Hence its effectiveness in traffic lights the world over. Its effect is physical; it stimulates us and raises the pulse rate, giving the impression that time is passing faster than it is. It relates to the masculine principle and can activate the "fight or flight" instinct. Red is strong, and very basic. Pure red is the simplest colour, with no subtlety. It is stimulating and lively, very friendly. At the same time, it can be perceived as demanding and aggressive.

I.e. could a cups and balls routine drawn from this example demonstrate the actions of the lively, energetic and exciting properties of the little red balls, against a peaceful green background?....

...or are they just balls and a mat?

I just think its interesting and when you think about it, how in a lot of ways this idea of the psychology of colours is incorporated in the decoration of props and various presentations in Magic.

Or is it just me?
*due to The Magic Cafe's editorial policies, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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I vote for Dark Green or Black.
This is based on the materials described.
A lighter green or red mat would not look good and Grey though neutral might not be as good looking with the engraved cups.
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Okay I just ordered a complete set of Fab Fruit from Michael Ammar as well as from another Café member. I'd also like to add a table servate. Any new thoughts on colour?

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The fab fruit is great, especially the lemons and limes! Fit nicely into the hands...I'd go black for the servante...

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Ok color mavens, some help here please.

If you were doing a routine with three different colored balls, what combination would look best. I am so not a color guy.

I found the blue ball vanished (not in the good way) on a green background. I've settled on red white and blue for the ball colors with a black tabletop. The blue is pretty light but I still think it may wash out in the black.

I'd seriously appreciate your input.

Pete, Bill???
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Let me think about that one. btw, have you arrived in Louisville?
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Bill,

I'm not. Worse I'm not coming at all. I'll have to make a trip to Texas if I ever want to meet you. That sounds like more fun than a magic convention anyway!!

I had such a tough time at WMS I wimped out.

If I had told you I was heading out there. I apologize. I do not remember it though.

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Hi Kent,
I don't know if this helps much, but the three colored balls you use have competing color values. Blue and yellow are one of the highest contrasting color combos and the red will work also work well against the yellow...but not so much for white. My reco is possibly an acid green table surface. Try going to Home Depot's paint section with your 3 balls (no jokes here) and compare them to the various greens in the acid range and find one that has the right value - bright enough for the blue and red to contrast well, but dark enough for the white to be seen well.
Just my 2 centavos.
All the best,
Jeff
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Sorry you aren't going to make it, Kent. I saw the cups for the auction yesterday, and they are rather interesting.

I got to thinking about this color problem last night after I posted, and I came to a similar concluaion to Jeff's.

There are some green close-up mats, almost an olive green, that would be a good contrast for those three colors. You can also make your own.

Also, a grey would work fairly well. Take the balls to a fabric shop and compare the way they look on various fabrics, including automobile headliner material.

Hancock Fabrics is a great source for this stuff.
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Good call Bill...I didn't even think of grey.
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