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Chris H
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I've found a video online of a performer local to my area that appears to be doing an act in his mentalism show straight out of a Derren Brown show. Is the act original to Mr. Brown? I don't know. I presume so. I doubt he or Andy Nyman are going to rip someone else act off and put it straight into their show. They've got too much at stake. I know there are a lot of mentalists about attempting to copy Derren's style and character, but using his script is probably going a bit far, isn't it? What should I do about this? Leave it be? Or consider reporting it to Derren's team?

-- Topher
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Lets see the video.
Chris H
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I'm a little wary about posting it. I've recently discovered that the performer does post on this forum, and I don' want to be known as the guy that stirred the pot, so to speak.

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How about stating your concern and finding and letting the group ask questions when they come up?

Playing coy in this tiny world is simply not a way to show how forthright and honest you are.
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Chris H
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Believe me Jonathan, I don't "do" coy. But I didn't want to start pointing fingers at people straight away. Yes, there is a magician/mentalist in my area, who is a member on this forum, who does a routine almost identical to a Derren Brown routine. It's on the "Something Wicked..." DVD, and it's at the start of the show. The routine where he gets the woman in the audience to name a "four legged land animal".

Should I publicly name this guy? I don't know, but at this stage I don't think so. I've already given enough info now that, if he reads this, he knows who he is. But, like I asked in my first post, I did want to find out what's considered (by the magic community) as an appropriate response. Should I leave him be? Or should I make it known to the person who's material he is using.

Cheers,

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Jonathan Townsend
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Topher, wouldn't it have been effective to email the guy and ask him what's up?
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Chris H
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Perhaps. Will it stop him doing the act, or will it just make him remove the video from his website, so that nobody else can see it? Who knows...

-- Topher
Jonathan Townsend
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Topher, if you have any doubt - name him to DBrown and let DBrown take any actions he deems fit. What would you like me or anyone here at the Café to do?
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Chris H
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On 2008-07-27 23:02, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
What would you like me or anyone here at the Café to do?


Nothing. If you look back, you'll notice that my original post asks for everyones opinion, and I appreciate you providing yours. I've never been in this situation before, and whilst most people here are more than happy to whinge for pages and pages about someone exposing a thumb tip (sorry, "TT"), nobody seems to give a toss about the blatant theft of someone elses script? There is a guy, that lives in my town, that is going out of an evening and making money from someone elses work. Does anyone else see the problem with this? Before I went rushing off to Derren's website, I thought I'd ask the opinions of people who may have seen this kind of thing happen before, and what they would normally do about it. I don't see why that's such a big deal?

-- Topher
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Topher,

Pay no attention to one person being ungracious.

I think the best thing to do would be to simply send the link to Brown's management (contactable through his website). You could email the guy first and tell him what you're going to do, but you won't gain much from that apart from putting his back up.
I'm sure they'll deal with it in whatever way they're used to dealing with such things. Or they might choose to ignore it. Either way I imagine the matter should rest with them, and doing it in this way keeps you essentially uninvolved.

And, for what its worth, I thought your post made you sound a very nice chap. People are so quick to 'point fingers' all over the place: being happy to take advice on a potentially sensitive matter is sounding a small note of decency. (There will now follow 4 pages of exhausting discussion over dull opinions of morality).

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Topher,

Is the effect one from a published Derren Brown product? If so, it's appropriate for him to use the exact effect and script in the product (assuming he purchased it).

It's not a smart move career-wise to copy, but it's certainly ethical and legal if it's in a product that Derren published and the copying magician purchased.
Chris H
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No, it's not a published routine. It's lifted straight out of Derren's show.

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On 2008-07-31 22:00, Topher Higgins wrote:
No, it's not a published routine. It's lifted straight out of Derren's show.

-- Topher

That's messed up... I would PM Derren...
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I've e-mailed Coops (Derren's PA). I don't expect a reply, but I think we can assume that if the video disappears in the next couple of weeks, that Derren's team have been in contact with this guy.

Again, I won't post the website, but I'll let you all know the outcome. Thanks for your advice.

-- Topher
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I think he's using a blue sharpie, rather than the black sharpie that Derren uses


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On 2008-08-03 01:29, bubbleburst2004 wrote:
I think he's using a blue sharpie, rather than the black sharpie that Derren uses


bb

Oh... well then copy away. Smile
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Keep us posted on whether the video disappears off his website.
I'd be curious to know what comes out of the email you sent (if anything).
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Maybe its just me, but I don't see a discrupancy here.
I have this feelings that it is just alright to copy someone you really admire, to fulfil the urge of wanting be like him. Just like a piano player, or a basketball player or a painting artist,we start out by copying, copying to the extend that we can do exactly what our idol can do, then, from there on, when we feel comfortable, we morph into another style which we realise it suits us best ultimately.

perhaps this guy here is still starting on his journey in magic. finding a gd example and copy him isn't a big problem at all. the big problem is if he chooses to become one of those chang ling su or ching ling su.

but I can see some arrogant in him, when he copied someone and put it on the web. that's a no!

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Perl it's not about copying to learn - one does imitate one's teachers - it's about copying without permission when performing as a professional. That is disrespect for teacher and takes surprise away from audiences who have not seen the master.
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