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Drew Manning
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Any one have any tips on how to make "flesh" colored gimmicks more covert? I find that the paint on an item I recently purchased doesn't match my skin tone very well and so even at great distance, it's still pretty visible.
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Medical tape comes in varying flesh colors and is not as reflective. It is also easy to handle.
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Thanks. Will give it a try Smile
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You can paint most gimmicks (dye tube, salt pour, poke tube, hank ball, etc) black. It shouldn't be seen and when it does peek through a window in your hand it looks like a shadow.

Or you can take a page out of Roy Benson's book and use "Palmouflage". That is using several different skin tones to paint the gimmick in a mottled pattern. It more approximates what our skin is really like and helps a large gimmick become invisible in casual handling.

Then you should work on your technique, routine, and timing. An audience should never see even the slightest flash of a gimmick in play. The exception to this would be the Shimada gimmick in any of its incarnations (Jay Scott Barry's version, etc.).
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Harry is right> Black is the way to go, especially if you are wearing dark clothing.

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Drew Manning
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This particular gimmick is very similar to a zombie and has a ring that goes around the thumb, so I think the black would make it even more obvious because this one isn't hidden behind a foulard like it would be in a zombie routine.

I think the Palmoflauge idea will work as well though, and I thank you for sharing that idea.
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Has it really been a problem or are you just nervous?

I've never had a problem with the few flesh tone gimmicks I've used though, as others say, generally the flesh tone is just there for a flash.

I uses a semi-transparent thumb tip that picks up my skin tone, but when the red silk is in it, the tip "blushes". Honestly, I've never had anyone notice. I've heard a legend that Slydini would actually perform with a bright brass thumb tip just to make the point that cameoflage really isn't all that necessary as long as there is a general shape match and its not anywhere that attention is being drawn to.

As in most magic, body language is everything. Lie with your body and people believe. My wife has a BS in psychology and I'm an amature with a long standing interest. It turns out what we perceive as "reality" is mostly created in our brains based on tiny fragments of perception glued together with past experiences anyway. if it move like a duck, most people most of the time will see a duck, even if it looks very different from a duck on actual inspection.
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I've actually seen Dick Oslund use a metal thumb tip that has had all of the paint sanded off. A very shiny mirror like thumb tip. Of course, he was proving a point, and does not (I'm sure) make a habit of using it.
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On 2008-08-16 10:59, Drew Manning wrote:
Any one have any tips on how to make "flesh" colored gimmicks more covert? I find that the paint on an item I recently purchased doesn't match my skin tone very well and so even at great distance, it's still pretty visible.


Your are freaking out over nothing. The shade does not matter. It does not have to match your skin tone. As lighting will constantly change the shade of the skin. The gimmick should not be seen anyway. If you are exposing it to prove to your audience that you can fool them, this is the wrong mind set. The only reason it is painted flesh tone is for the accidental flash or exposure.

Black should only be used if you plan to perform only on a stage and never in a close proximity to your audience. If using black you should have a black background and be wearing black garments.

I do hope you understand the reasons I have mentioned. A book could be written on the theory.
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If it's a Waltzing Matilda style thing you're using then the speed of your hand movements and thumb movements will mask the gimmick, and the rest of the time the handkercheif will be covering it. Also people are looking for the object, not your hand.
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Thank you all for the input.

I am not exposing the gimmick to prove a point.

I am working on something new that didn't come with the greatest of instructins (Areo Floating Light). The effect has some potential, but I need a lot of time working on the handling and putting my own twist on it.

I have yet to work this infront of anyone other than my wife, so my "impartial" eyes have been soiled for purposes of practicing this particular effect and I'm not very convinced with my own handling at this point.

Guess some more mirror time is in order Smile
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Another procedure is with make-up. I have used it on a TT before. Not the powder kind, but the liquid kind that will dry up in place. The best way to find it is by going to a department store and try the samples that fit you best.

After you gain confidence from doing the effect with skill from several performances, you might not need any more make-up. At first I was using a newspaper dove bag to make my dove come out of a newspaper. After doing several times I relise I can use any color dove bag now. It will not hurt to use paint or make-up until you build confidence.
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Any one have any tips on how to make "flesh" colored gimmicks more covert? I find that the paint on an item I recently purchased doesn't match my skin tone very well and so even at great distance, it's still pretty visible.


Your are freaking out over nothing. The shade does not matter. It does not have to match your skin tone. As lighting will constantly change the shade of the skin. The gimmick should not be seen anyway.


This seems to be the case at this point. I went back last night to a different mirror in the house (one I can get a little farther away from) and in different lighting, it was non visible. Now the only issue is practicing the moves so that the bulb seems truly animated.
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Cool, glad we could help. 8)

The amazing and wonderful thing about audiences is that they *want* to help us fool them. Just a little push in the right direction and something to take their attention from the gimmick and I swear sometimes you could march an elephant on stage and have people miss it Smile

My favorite example has always been my vanish of my Zombie ball at the end of my old Zombie routine. It was a white styrofoam "miracle ball". Pretty hard to miss. At the end of the routine I dumped it in a well in my table and just carried the cloth out into the audiance draped over my curled fingers of my left hand to give it a half-dome shape. I'd throw the cloth in the air and then catch the ends and snap it.

You have no idea how many times people have told me with total conviction that they *saw* the white ball disappear in mid air Smile I was surprised near shock the first time this happened. Pleased when it reoccurred. And now I just accept that people see what they expect to and its no longer a big surprise when they see the impossible happen Smile
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You have no idea how many times people have told me with total conviction that they *saw* the white ball disappear in mid air Smile I was surprised near shock the first time this happened. Pleased when it reoccurred. And now I just accept that people see what they expect to and its no longer a big surprise when they see the impossible happen Smile


I actually can believe what you're saying. I remember when I first learned the Balducci levataion 10-12 years ago I had people swearing up and down that I was floating 2 feet off the ground Smile
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On 2008-08-18 12:54, wmhegbli wrote:

Your are freaking out over nothing. The shade does not matter. It does not have to match your skin tone. As lighting will constantly change the shade of the skin. The gimmick should not be seen anyway. If you are exposing it to prove to your audience that you can fool them, this is the wrong mind set. The only reason it is painted flesh tone is for the accidental flash or exposure.


I agree totally. I remember reading about a magician at a lecture using a bright orange TT. Magician audience was totally floored when he showed it to them after his routine. I can't remember where I read this or who the magician was. Anyone know?
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Good example of this is Blackstone and an illusion with ducks that transposed from one end of the stage to the next. They were excorted over right in front of the audienc and no one noticed.

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Cool, glad we could help. 8)

The amazing and wonderful thing about audiences is that they *want* to help us fool them. Just a little push in the right direction and something to take their attention from the gimmick and I swear sometimes you could march an elephant on stage and have people miss it Smile

My favorite example has always been my vanish of my Zombie ball at the end of my old Zombie routine. It was a white styrofoam "miracle ball". Pretty hard to miss. At the end of the routine I dumped it in a well in my table and just carried the cloth out into the audiance draped over my curled fingers of my left hand to give it a half-dome shape. I'd throw the cloth in the air and then catch the ends and snap it.

You have no idea how many times people have told me with total conviction that they *saw* the white ball disappear in mid air Smile I was surprised near shock the first time this happened. Pleased when it reoccurred. And now I just accept that people see what they expect to and its no longer a big surprise when they see the impossible happen Smile
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You have no idea how many times people have told me with total conviction that they *saw* the white ball disappear in mid air Smile I was surprised near shock the first time this happened. Pleased when it reoccurred. And now I just accept that people see what they expect to and its no longer a big surprise when they see the impossible happen Smile


I actually can believe what you're saying. I remember when I first learned the Balducci levataion 10-12 years ago I had people swearing up and down that I was floating 2 feet off the ground Smile
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Wmhegbli pretty much summed it all up.....

the gimmick can be hot pink


you gotta manipulate it so its not seen.....get your angles covered by watchin live performances and go from there mate...
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I think that no hand held flesh colored gimmick needs to be repainted. Years ago I met a magician in a shop in Germany who presented the simple vanishing silk effect using a flashy pink colored object instead of the classic device and I never saw it in his hands.

So I think it's juste a matter of misdirection and well used manipulations and hand mouvements.

Oliver.
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