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Beaudini Magic
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Hello Everyone,

I have rented various intelligent lights for my illusion shows over the years. I've gotten to the point where I'd like to purchase some of my own and have a question for you. I've spoken with a club owner who is looking to sell some of his lights. While I haven't been able to meet with him or see the lights personally, a friend of mine went by the club, and this is what I know...

The lights are "Trackspots," and they are branded with "Lightwave Research." From my reading, it appears that "Lightwave Research" is either a product line offered by "High End Systems," a model name, or an old company name. If anyone could give me any information about "Lighwave Research" and its relation to "High End Systems," that would be great.

Also, I'm going to see the lights next week. But for now, could the "Lightwave Research" brand possibly indicate how old the lights might be? I do not have a huge budget and would like to know what you think about "Trackspots" before I make any decisions on this deal.

Finally, assuming that the lights have been running about three nights a week for a couple of years, could anyone give me a ball park figure as to what they might be worth? Any information would be greatly appreciated. I am...

Your Friend in Magic,

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Beau,
Lightwave was bought out by High End. So with that name on them, they for sure are older, which may be fine. There will be a manufactured date on the lights themselves.

There are pros and cons to buying lights from a club. The pros are they were most likely never trouped with, beat up during load in/out, etc. The cons are they have been exposed to tons and tons of fog fluid, most likely oil based at that...and also to smoke. Now if they were cleaned on a regular bases (unlikely), then they 'should' be fine.

Bottom line, do your own due diligence and make sure they go through their self test correctly. To do the self test, switch #1 PERSONALITY switch to the on or down position. This will cause the trackspot to start an internal self-diagnostic routine.

Hope that helps!
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Kevin,

Thank you so much for your input. It's a really big help. I've been to the bar/club a couple times before and never saw any fog machines running, so that may be a good thing. Also, if the self test goes well, do you have any idea what they may be worth? I know that's a tough question, but if you were going to make a fair offer, what would it be? Also, I wanted to know if there's a way to see how many hours are on the lamps. From my research, I believe that is a critical piece of information...

Thanks again, and any other advice would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Beau Alexander
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I bought a bunch of DMX lights and a DMX controller to run them. I was disappointed!
The lights were great if you were running a DJ or showcasing a band, but for magic they were disappointing. What I wanted was something that was automated and more synchronized than what even a high-end controller could do.

I went on a year of researching, and Kevin from Living Illusions pointed me to some software that is my perfect dream!

I spent some time getting the software to move my lights EXACTLY how I needed them, and all appeared well again. But, it wasn't. Even though I had the lights, and the software to run them, the show looked "flat" when it came to the lights.

In stepped Kevin AGAIN! He sold me a hazer that would make my lights come alive. The lights now are nothing short of professional. Oh, and that hazer, it works so well, and is so efficient, that I have gallons of fluid I may never use.

The Software is Elation Compu Ware Pro.
The Hazer is called Unique Hazer (German Manufacturer).

Bottom line is the lights were just part of the expense. Once you get something that controls them properly, and a device to make the lights more theatrical, the price of poker goes up!

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Muzicman,

Thanks so much for your input. I've used a hazer in the past, and you are right, it really helps. Now were the DMX lights you purchased Trackspots or another type?
Just wondering...Thanks again,

Beau Alexander

P.S. Any other input on the Trackspots, what they might be worth, and abilities/limitations would be great.
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Any more input? Anyone out there care to take a stab at what these Trackspots might be worth? C'mon, I'd really appreciate any information on these or intelligent lighting in general.

Thanks,

Beau
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I would offer $300 and not pay more than $500 each for sure. That is based on them being in good shape.

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Thank you, Kevin, I appreciate your help. Have a great Labor Day.

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Check out http://www.lightbroker.com - they have a ton of gear. Unfortunately, they are also priced rather high. Take a look at their price for the tracspots ( IF they have them ), and then reduce your offer by 25 to 30%.
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Steven,

Thank you very much. I'll do that. I knew that you would also have a wealth of knowledge on this subject, and I'm glad you commented.

Thanks,

Beau
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Thank Beau,
I'm not home much - I'm prepping for a 16 week run around the country plus the Magi Fest in Feb and the WMS in March.
Please don't heasitate to contact me directly if you need any help.
If you are SERIOUS about lighting, I might suggest LDI and the LDI institute in October in Las Vegas - I do knoiw they have GREAT startup sourses for learning this side of production - it can not hurt. In most cases, when I produce and event for a client or even a magic convention, 7 out of 10 shows, I am usually proogramming the board.
Check out http://www.ldishow.com
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Thanks so much Steven. I will certainly check that out. I am really interested in more than just buying lights- I want to learn all about them. Thank you.

-Beau
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Great lighting can make a good show great -- and a great show unforgettable. It can control focus, add color, and become part of the effect itself in some cases.

With he advent of DMX effect fixtures and luminares the technology has developed so much as to demand the use of specialists in lighting design. For instance -- is the software scalable to stage size for traveling shows -- and is the magician able to confine his/her movements to the new parameters and swing speeds of auto spots without extra rehearsal?

Beyond a hazer -- what effects are needed for the show? Fog, Fog Curtain, back red to audience for "floatings?" Can these be done without drawing attention to the lighting instead of the effect? Believe me there is nothing more annoying than the audience watching lights swinging about rather than the act...as I have noticed in some ill conceived low-end cruise shows,

A mix of "traditional" lighting (possibly with DMX scrollers added ) and a few high end DMX full function lights assigned to special tasks may the a way to go as you develop a rig. But beware -- lighting has its own magic and has diverted more than one performer to the "tech side" of the force.
Gregg (C. H. Mara) Chmara

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Thank You Gregg,

You raise many valid points, and I will be sure to keep them in mind when purchasing and designing the lighting for my show. I really appreciate everyone's advice.

-Beau
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Gearsource.com
usedlighting.com

these are a couple other sources that I have browsed/shopped with.

another source if you are looking for "flash and trash" lighting is:
cheaplights.com

I purchased a rather inexpensive hazer from them a few years back and have been pleased with the results.
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BTW, new guy here. My background is in theatre with an emphasis on lighting and effects. I have been presented with theatrical challenges in the past and have looked to the world of stage illusion for some incredible ideas/solutions
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