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niva
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Hi everyone.

I am looking for some Magic Square building methods.

My friend thought me one, where the magic constant needs to be from 20 to 99, but I found out that not all groups of fours add up to the constant on the finished square.

Unfortunately I found another revealed on youtube where the constant needs to be from 50 to 99, but it seems to work with all groups of fours and other combinations.

So my question is, are there any other methods out there, that give a larger range for the constant and works with many arrangements on the square?

Thanks.
Yours,

Ivan
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If you want every 2 by 2 block of squares to sum to the magic constant,
you must use 8 key squares (rather than the usual 4 key squares.)

Stan Alger
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I'm currently finishing a write up on magic square production. I can show you how to do a 4x4 square in which every row, column, main diagonal, 4 corners, the 4 'centre' numbers and the four 2x2 'corner' numbers all add to the same number. I do it by using a date across the top row e.g. DD MM YY YY but you can use any 4 numbers. (i.e. any four numbers that add to your 'constant')

What you need to remember is that you will find it almost impossible to quickly construct a square where all the individual numbers are sequential and, as Stan said, getting every 2x2 is not easy and the result frequently looks 'forced'.

If it's of any use send me a PM.
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On 2008-09-09 13:06, PhiltheBear wrote:
What you need to remember is that you will find it almost impossible to quickly construct a square where all the individual numbers are sequential and, as Stan said, getting every 2x2 is not easy and the result frequently looks 'forced'.

No. Getting every 2x2 is [/b] for even target numbers and the result looks
less 'forced' than the usual four key squares method.

Stan
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Where in the world have you all been? I teach the magic squares (all combinations) in a number of my books, going back decades.
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niva
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Sorry but I found that out after I posted this. Smile
Yours,

Ivan
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Harry,

I used your version / presentation of the magic square yesterday at a show as an opener under the pretext of its not magic but it forces me to think (warms my mind up!). just to let you know it went down really well proving once again that all your "stuff" stands the test of time and is very commercial.

Thanks Harry!!

Regards Steve
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I can highly recommend the magic squares described in Doug Dyment's "Mindsights". My favourite, however, features in Chuck Hickok "Mentalism, Incorporated"... this latter one is quite a basic construction - it is the presentation that lifts this to a fine art form.

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I would echo the remarks on Chuck Hickok's version. Not to take anything away from Mr. Lorayne who ranks as a genius on this type of effect.
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Check out the one-hour memory piece on volume 4 of the "Best Ever" 4-volume DVD set to see the magic square done for a large audience. HL.
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While I count myself among those who are big fans of Chuck's Diagonal Magic Square, I hasten to point out that it is a different effect from the traditional magic square. In the latter, a magic number is somehow specified, and the entertainer constructs a square whose various additions total the magic number.

In Chuck's version, participants specify numbers that are placed along the diagonal of a square. These numbers are totalled, to produce the magic number. The entertainer then fills in the remaining squares, such that all the additive possibilities result in this same number. So ... similar to the traditional effect, but not identical. This, of course, makes it better for some performance goals, and worse for others.

[disclaimer: I edited and illustrated Chuck's manuscript.]
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Here is a magic square generator for your use:

http://madebits.com/retro/magic-squares.php
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On 2009-02-20 10:28, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Check out the one-hour memory piece on volume 4 of the "Best Ever" 4-volume DVD set to see the magic square done for a large audience. HL.

Harry, thanks for coming in here. It's difficult to sort through information when you are, as I am, looking for the easiest solution for a 4x4 magic square where the totals are a persons age between say 20 & 60.
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MagicbyCarlo is apparently:
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... looking for the easiest solution for a 4x4 magic square where the totals are a persons age between say 20 & 60.

Have you read the reviews for "Flash Squared"?
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MagicbyCarlo is apparently:
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... looking for the easiest solution for a 4x4 magic square where the totals are a persons age between say 20 & 60.

Have you read the reviews for "Flash Squared"?

No Doug, I haven't but I will. Thanks.
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No Doug, I haven't but I will. Thanks.

All right, I've ordered. I'll let you know if it fits my needs.
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On 2008-09-02 14:28, niva wrote:
Hi everyone.

I am looking for some Magic Square building methods.

My friend thought me one, where the magic constant needs to be from 20 to 99, but I found out that not all groups of fours add up to the constant on the finished square.

Unfortunately I found another revealed on youtube where the constant needs to be from 50 to 99, but it seems to work with all groups of fours and other combinations.

So my question is, are there any other methods out there, that give a larger range for the constant and works with many arrangements on the square?

Thanks.





I do a version based loosely on Chuck Hickoks, but also an Irish Magician-cant remember the name!!
-as long as the 2 digits called are between 1& 9 are above 35
as you write them down

All the horiz,vertical, rows, 4 nos in the middle, 4x4 squares as well as diagonals
& all 4 nos on all 4 corners add up to the 2 digits called out by the audience-different every time

I can fill in the square with no repeat nos in about 12-14 seconds its that easy-

Really goes over well with audiences!!

Any queries-post me

Cheers

-Brent
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I thought I would post this magic square calculator link here since it seems relevant: http://www.markfarrar.co.uk/msq4x401.htm
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