

niva Inner circle Malta (Europe) 2970 Posts 
Hi everyone.
I am looking for some Magic Square building methods. My friend thought me one, where the magic constant needs to be from 20 to 99, but I found out that not all groups of fours add up to the constant on the finished square. Unfortunately I found another revealed on youtube where the constant needs to be from 50 to 99, but it seems to work with all groups of fours and other combinations. So my question is, are there any other methods out there, that give a larger range for the constant and works with many arrangements on the square? Thanks.
Yours,
Ivan 
stanalger Special user St. Louis, MO 996 Posts 
If you want every 2 by 2 block of squares to sum to the magic constant,
you must use 8 key squares (rather than the usual 4 key squares.) Stan Alger 
PhiltheBear New user Southampton, UK 72 Posts 
I'm currently finishing a write up on magic square production. I can show you how to do a 4x4 square in which every row, column, main diagonal, 4 corners, the 4 'centre' numbers and the four 2x2 'corner' numbers all add to the same number. I do it by using a date across the top row e.g. DD MM YY YY but you can use any 4 numbers. (i.e. any four numbers that add to your 'constant')
What you need to remember is that you will find it almost impossible to quickly construct a square where all the individual numbers are sequential and, as Stan said, getting every 2x2 is not easy and the result frequently looks 'forced'. If it's of any use send me a PM.

PhiltheBear Unusualist 
stanalger Special user St. Louis, MO 996 Posts 
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On 20080909 13:06, PhiltheBear wrote: No. Getting every 2x2 is [/b] for even target numbers and the result looks less 'forced' than the usual four key squares method. Stan 
Harry Lorayne V.I.P. New York City 8496 Posts 
Where in the world have you all been? I teach the magic squares (all combinations) in a number of my books, going back decades.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com 
niva Inner circle Malta (Europe) 2970 Posts 
Sorry but I found that out after I posted this.
Yours,
Ivan 
topchange52 Regular user 178 Posts 
Harry,
I used your version / presentation of the magic square yesterday at a show as an opener under the pretext of its not magic but it forces me to think (warms my mind up!). just to let you know it went down really well proving once again that all your "stuff" stands the test of time and is very commercial. Thanks Harry!! Regards Steve 
dyddanwy Regular user Chester. UK 108 Posts 
I can highly recommend the magic squares described in Doug Dyment's "Mindsights". My favourite, however, features in Chuck Hickok "Mentalism, Incorporated"... this latter one is quite a basic construction  it is the presentation that lifts this to a fine art form.
JD
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hdragonetta New user 76 Posts 
I would echo the remarks on Chuck Hickok's version. Not to take anything away from Mr. Lorayne who ranks as a genius on this type of effect.

Harry Lorayne V.I.P. New York City 8496 Posts 
Check out the onehour memory piece on volume 4 of the "Best Ever" 4volume DVD set to see the magic square done for a large audience. HL.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com 
ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2274 Posts 
While I count myself among those who are big fans of Chuck's Diagonal Magic Square, I hasten to point out that it is a different effect from the traditional magic square. In the latter, a magic number is somehow specified, and the entertainer constructs a square whose various additions total the magic number.
In Chuck's version, participants specify numbers that are placed along the diagonal of a square. These numbers are totalled, to produce the magic number. The entertainer then fills in the remaining squares, such that all the additive possibilities result in this same number. So ... similar to the traditional effect, but not identical. This, of course, makes it better for some performance goals, and worse for others. [disclaimer: I edited and illustrated Chuck's manuscript.]
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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts 
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On 20090220 10:28, Harry Lorayne wrote: Harry, thanks for coming in here. It's difficult to sort through information when you are, as I am, looking for the easiest solution for a 4x4 magic square where the totals are a persons age between say 20 & 60.
Carlo DeBlasio
<BR>Entertainment specialist <BR>and all around fun guy! 
ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2274 Posts 
MagicbyCarlo is apparently:
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... looking for the easiest solution for a 4x4 magic square where the totals are a persons age between say 20 & 60. Have you read the reviews for "Flash Squared"?
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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts 
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On 20090311 10:57, ddyment wrote: No Doug, I haven't but I will. Thanks.
Carlo DeBlasio
<BR>Entertainment specialist <BR>and all around fun guy! 
MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts 
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On 20090311 14:47, MagicbyCarlo wrote: All right, I've ordered. I'll let you know if it fits my needs.
Carlo DeBlasio
<BR>Entertainment specialist <BR>and all around fun guy! 
Brent McLeod Inner circle 1718 Posts 
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On 20080902 14:28, niva wrote: I do a version based loosely on Chuck Hickoks, but also an Irish Magiciancant remember the name!! as long as the 2 digits called are between 1& 9 are above 35 as you write them down All the horiz,vertical, rows, 4 nos in the middle, 4x4 squares as well as diagonals & all 4 nos on all 4 corners add up to the 2 digits called out by the audiencedifferent every time I can fill in the square with no repeat nos in about 1214 seconds its that easy Really goes over well with audiences!! Any queriespost me Cheers Brent 
Lbuford Regular user Los Angeles, CA 157 Posts 
I thought I would post this magic square calculator link here since it seems relevant: http://www.markfarrar.co.uk/msq4x401.htm
Loreen
"Hindsight corrects the mistakes that foresight could have prevented" 
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