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To try and ease some doubts here: What Bill has come up with is a way of enhancing something that I'm sure a lot of people already know, but they never thought of doing it this way.

Once again, this is something that is based on an effect that most of us know, do, and have seen others do, BUT Bill realized something we were all missing and that's what makes it valuable.
And although my NO example is kind of similar, it is in no way showing how much more powerful Bill's idea plays.

And as I said before, I know what's going to happen. Many of those that think it's a scam will consider using this once they hear it... even if they don't pay for it. The problem with this idea is how easy it is to reconstruct, but no one has ever done it before.

I feel real sorry for Bill on this one because I can see the money taken out of his pocket once this genii has been let out of the bottle.

How about this... to prove how honest everyone is... will you promise that when you see this being performed and realize what Bill has come up with that you will send him the money before you decide to use it. That would be an honest way to do it. So wait until it's out there and when you hear another person using it and you say, "Cool", at that moment you will realize the value and you will take out your cash and send it to Bill before you decide to use an idea you never had.

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And the plot tickens

but wth Arce word backing it up I'm going to get it
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Fair question Peter. I'm beginning to wonder if some people didn't read about The Fource where and when it was initially posted, not knowing that a lot of discussion took place before I started this thread. I first shared that I was releasing The Fource in response to a horrid threat by Dr. Spector Smile on the mis-named (yet well-intended and extremely flattering) Mental Index thread.

The Doc said it was actually a good thing he proposed doing to my brain but I'm a little sensitive when it comes to the removal of vital organs.

So I'm going to copy some of the posts from that thread to this one. I hope this is OK with the powers that be and that it clears things up and gives people more confidence about the value of the ebook. Here we go, starting with me:

"Coincidentally, I had an interesting idea that I was considering releasing about a week ago until Alain Nu called me and requested I hold off as it "would be a disservice to you and the art of mentalism not to develop it a bit further." Then he asked permission to perform it in some upcoming shows, which was quite flattering.

The original two pages (apparently good things DO come in small packages), at the time known simply as "The Fource," have snowballed into quite a bit more. Any impulse I had to release it as it stood was put in check when Alain bribed me by offering two effects from his own repertoire to include in the final project.

I also am a strong believer in vetting my material (a big part of why it went to Alain, who remembers most everything, in the first place) so was waiting on just a bit more confirmation. Then I received this from the Dean of Mentalism himself, Larry Becker:

"Hi Bill. Eureka! Why the hell didn't I think of that!!!! Well we all did, but never as (deleted so as not to give the game away quite yet). It's positively brilliant. An opener par excellence.

Great thinking Bill. Just my cup of tea. Simple, powerful and memorable. Your newest admirer – Best always-" Larry

This put any remaining fears to rest and to add icing to the cake, Larry also gave me a show stopping presentation to include. Though above he refers to The Fource as an opener, his take has closer written all over it.

To do a bit more name dropping, Rick Roth, Sean Waters, Tony Razzano, Millard Longman, Alexandre, Don Theo, Gabe Gabelson, Lior Manor and Enrique Enriquez among others have also provided input, routines and advice. Seriously, these are good friends who are very enthusiastic about The Fource and generously contributed a variety of presentations to apply different meanings to my basic idea. While a routine unto itself, it is also a tool that can be used in many different ways as you will soon see given Ike is merciful to South Florida. (9/11: We got away very lucky as I'm sure you all know by now)

And, again as per Alain's wise words, I have asked for and received some excellent contributions that have nothing to do with The Fource per se but are presentations that tap into the same kind of group dynamic. One or two of my own unpublished routines of this genre will also be included.

If you tend to perform one on one, or for just a few folks, The Fource will include things for you too. Much to my own surprise, despite being conceived for audiences of at least 10 people, I’ve had incredible success performing it for one person at a time. This doesn’t even make sense to me but such is the power and versatility of The Fource.”

There is your answer Peter. The minimum size audience I am comfortable with is one. Not all of the routines can be used one on one but the basic premise I’m being credited with and vetted as a two-page Word doc most certainly can. The more I do it this way the better it gets.

Here are some more posts that will either add clarity or just continue to muddy the waters. If they don't add clarity, like I said above, they should at least increase confidence in making an investment in The Fource:

Posted by Jerome Finley: "It's wonderful!!! The Fource is JUST my type of thing and thinking I love. Well done! I'll get my contribution written up and sent to you by tomorrow afternoon." And also from Jerome a bit later:

"Bill's idea is absolutely marvelous and I wish him all the best with this release. It's a keeper!” Jerome

My big brother Greg (I have two big bros now) who is expressing so much concern on my behalf and taking such good care of me on this thread wrote this on the other thread:

"Stop talking about The Fource!!!! It's too good!!!

It's definitely one of those things that is going to have everyone saying, "You mean I had the ability to do this all the time and I never thought of it!? What was I thinking!!!!?" Greg

Rick Roth (Thanks bro!) wrote this:

“Dr. Bills The Fource e-book is one of those "OMG why didn't I think of that moments!

He built a better mousetrap that you guys will love. Several top names in our field, inspired by what Bill came up with have contributed to The Fource book.

You will have fun performing one on one, two on two or best yet, in front of an audience." Rick

From Mike (Turk):

"Brilliant non-linear outside of the box thinking. Bill is correct: You definitiely will be asking yourself you you didn't think of this yourself. Way to go, Bill!" Mike

Along with a really cool contribution reminiscent of Mobile Opener in how it works with the entire audience, Lior Manor wrote:

"Doing effects with all the audience is something that many mentalists/magicians miss. Bill gives you something very strong to do with all your audience. I am using it in every show. Thanks Bill" Lior

From me again:

"More great news! Our own Bev has reached out a hand to prevent me from drowning in all of this! He has given me some typically "Mooreish" contributions that just rock. More on this later but Bev you are a life saver. I'll never regret tricking you into becoming a well known, published mentalist!” Me Smile

From Elliot Bressler:

"Thanks. That is very clever.

I have sent in my pre-pre-order, as it is so rare to find something I will use.
I am already formulating plans to try “Fource” with billet presentations along the lines of Test of Power Revisited & The Pusillanimous Billet Read. At my next opportunity, I may even try it with the Q&8 sequence, sans gag. I just need to do some work on patter and presentation. The possibilities are very exciting.

I can’t wait to see the cool stuff that will be in the full book. Thanks again." Elliott

More from Jerome Finley:

"I'm honored to hear my contribution is well received and of use in your next release and offering to the mentalism community. After reading, 'The Fource' I knew this little gem I've been holding so closely was definitely meant for you and I'm happy beyond words to share and contribute it to 'The Fource.'

Your piece is marvelous, will be of tremendous use and make a lot of people very happy. I feel blessed to be involved here and more so, to have access to this type of material and great thinking. As I said before this is JUST my type of thing and I WILL continue using this piece (and already have with great success) all thanks to you!" Jerome

From Christopher Taylor:

"I've had a sneak peek at an early draft of "Fource", including some of the contributions. As I told Bill, the depth of the material that is emerging, with this simple concept at the heart, is wonderful; it shows how powerful "simple" can be. When this comes out it is going to make a big splash. Well done Bill!"
Christopher

I hope this helps put some minds at ease. Psi-Droid you actually gave me the idea when you posted, "but with Arce’s word backing it up I'm going to get it." Everyone has different people they take at their word so I figured by moving the words of several different people to this thread it might help.

Let me address one more thing said on this thread. Mystification wrote:

"I have noticed that if certain people on here produce an e-book, the SAME people start endorsing it and giving it super reviews. The first time someone disagrees, they all get nasty and argue with him. Very uncomfortable situation. They even attack the negative reviewer. It makes everyone shy away from saying anything negative, so all you read are positive reviews."

No offense taken Myst, you make a point I agree with as well. However there is a good reason, at least for my situation, that the same people tend to endorse my work. I vett it. And I vett it by people I know are experienced and knowledgeable and that I can trust. So of course it is this group that is going to post on my behalf.

And thinking about what you wrote, I realize I'm also lucky in two other ways. I don't think there was much or any disagreement about my first two ebooks. That is one way in which I'm fortunate.

The other is that I associate with good people with integrity and maturity so they don't go off on someone just because there is disagreement. I think Greg's posts on this thread, though obviously showing increasing frustration on my behalf, are a good example. He has been very well measured and fair in his responses. Except when he wrote about The Fource:

"But do you need it? No. You could skip this and never look back and it won't hurt your performing skills one bit." That was nasty! Smile.
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Thanks for that, Bill. Much appreciated. One final question for you... on the Outlaw site, the 'prerelease' price is $35. What's the anticipated price once it's actually released, do you know?

Cheers,

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At least 45 dollars.
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While the combination of effects will give you much to smile about, it is Dr. Cushman's (et al) applications of these techniques, reminiscient of where he went with MI that will make you happy you picked this up.

Sorry if this seems cryptic.

I keep going back to the Fource as it serves as a powerful creative launching board.

And I'm not just saying that. Though I respect Dr. Cushman's work I have never met or spoken with him.

In this day and age though, it's always exciting when something like Fource comes along.

And that, I feel, is worth mentioning.

D
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A while back, I stopped using Ned Rutledge's "Minding the Store". Now, I have put it back in as The Fource makes one of the aspects easier and involves the entire audience, thanks to an idea by Alexandre.

As to how many in the audience, Peter, I, too am surprised that it works one on one, but I would be comfortable doing a parlor show with it.

Greg was most eloquent about it. Re read his posts, no use me repeating what was already said. I would make the same points as Greg, but he is much more eloquent than I.
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Thanks Don and Tony. I'm hearing quite a bit about The Fource as a source of inspiration. That pleases me to no end; I can't wait to see where it goes after release.

A pefect example is Tony's post, inspired by an idea of Alex's, inspired by The Fource.

I continue to be surprised at the impact one on one, or in small groups. And, yes, even that it works. The more I do it that way, the more sense it is making to me but it may also have to do with my greater confidence that it is going to work. Then again it worked when I did it expecting it not to. At this point I just enjoy it.

The Fource is nearly complete. Wait till everyone reads Enrique's contribution. I don't' want to say more because I want you all to have the experience in the moment that I had when I first read it.
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I can't wait, buddy!

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Well I must admit I've been burnt by hype on the Café about e-books. There does seem to be a group that praise one another over very average material. Its been a 70-30 hit for me as far as quality goes, the latter being my opinion on the value for money success. How-ever saying that, many of the people praiseing Bills material on this thread are what I'd call serious Café members and professionals in the field who have given a lot of good advise to other members over the years. I have certainly benefitted from their input here on the Café. Too many solid people endorsing this to ignor, somehow I think its going to be 35 bucks well spent
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I will just say that I got a tiny bit of insider info on the book...and paid my 35 bucks anyway...that really means something...trust me.

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Is it out yet?

Thanks,

Royce K.
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Ordered... Smile
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And a quiet descended on the land.
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Shhh.......

Almost there folks. I promise it will be worth it.

Even after I officially stopped taking contributions there were some things that arrived I couldn't resist adding. I don't want to deprive anyone of some real gems nor do I want to do another supplement (as I did for Mirabill).

Best,

Bill
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Almost forgot; Nathan, thanks for your continued support. And takeachance I appreciate your comments as well.
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On 2008-09-11 13:56, Greg Arce wrote:
How about this... to prove how honest everyone is... will you promise that when you see this being performed and realize what Bill has come up with that you will send him the money before you decide to use it. That would be an honest way to do it.


I'm not exactly sure I'd put that in the category of "honest" but I agree wholeheartedly, nonetheless. Unless I come up with a presentational approach prior to somebody else releasing theirs, this is the credo I live by. If I want to use somebody's idea, then my only recourse is to "send them money" (buy the product they released it in). This is how it would be regardless of how easy/hard it was to backtrack or even if somebody sent me a preview of an item (there are several approaches I don't use since some of these preview items are currently out of my financial reach to actually buy).

This seems pretty cut and dry. I am not arguing, btw, that Bill should do anything to expose what is in his material, merely that at least some of us take pride in what we do and respect the effort, impact, and originality of others. Also, Greg put it out there and I think it is approach that every one of us should have.

Of course, we don't. The only person who knows exactly what you have paid for and what you use is YOU, that is why my signature is what it is. If you are the only person who knows you are ripping somebody off, you have no integrity. If, instead, you are the only person who knows the lengths you go to NOT to rip somebody off, well, that is true integrity.

-L

EDIT: And, yes, Greg, you can count on me to do exactly what you outline, I promise. For the record, this includes using the IDEA in a different way, not just the way I see it. I think a lot of people try to weasel their way around by being "original" when all they are really doing is trying to hide their theft of somebody else's ideas. But that is just what I see.
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I'm with ya, Lem!

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I wish there were more like Lem and Nathan. Thanks, guys.

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You do realise, Bill, that if I hold my breath for much longer you're going to be liable for a whole stack of medical expenses?!

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